FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

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  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

    Site Contributor
    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2007
    • 22930
    #16
    Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

    I have a little more information on this topic. The metal plates are holding up fine at 500K, no paper cuts of any sort. I did see the machine recently for something similar though. The pages were skewing and piling up in the stapling tray because one of the eject belts had jumped several teeth. The first set usually ejects, but the second skews, and the third piles up upon the second set. I wish there was a simple way to re-align the eject belts, but ultimately the center eject belt assembly must be out of the finisher to get it re-aligned.

    754e J7218-1.JPG

    The paper jam code is primarily J7218, but also J7217, J7221, and J7219. The adjoining machine got the mylar modification is a partial success, but not good enough for me. The regulating plates survive OK, but the mylar still gets cut up at 300K, and requires just as much work to change the mylar. The eject belts were also out of time. This is something I'm going to have to keep a closer eye on. I don't know which causes which, or perhaps they are totally unrelated, just close proximity.

    754e J7218-2.JPG754e J7218-3.JPG

    =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • JR2ALTA
        Service Manager

        Site Contributor
        1,000+ Posts
        • Feb 2010
        • 2028
        #17
        Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

        Originally posted by blackcat4866
        I wish there was a simple way to re-align the eject belts, but ultimately the center eject belt assembly must be out of the finisher to get it re-aligned.

        You just reach in, grab the lazy belt and pull it forward. Done it several times, doesn't hurt anything.

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          • srvctec
            Former KM Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Oct 2009
            • 827
            #18
            Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

            Originally posted by JR2ALTA
            You just reach in, grab the lazy belt and pull it forward. Done it several times, doesn't hurt anything.
            That's exactly what I do.
            Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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              • jwrycza
                Office Systems Expert

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                50+ Posts
                • Sep 2013
                • 88
                #19
                Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                I have repaired a few of these by smoothing them off with a scotch brite pad and using mylar material with adhesive to stick to the guides. Go to service mode and adjust the finisher guides .5mm and it usually does the trick!

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                  • allan
                    RTFM!!

                    5,000+ Posts
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 5459
                    #20
                    Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                    Originally posted by blackcat4866
                    I've started the first field trial. This is the second replacement set at 855K. I had filed them smooth twice along the way. This machine prints only LTR from all trays, and all outputs to the elevator tray. Here is what it looks like:

                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]31776[/ATTACH]

                    =^..^=
                    Well could not believe the way the paper would cut into the guide. Can not even see the grove like 3mm deep cut into the plastic. I well now i need to do the mod on a couple of these.
                    Whatever

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                      • CraigW
                        Trusted Tech

                        Site Contributor
                        250+ Posts
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 417
                        #21
                        Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                        Setup a couple of 534s a while back......those plates now have a metal surface to prevent the cutting in.

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                          • BR549
                            Senior Tech

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                            100+ Posts
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 109
                            #22
                            Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                            I have not had any more issues with the one I described fixing 15 months ago in this thread. Just adjusted it.

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                              • ronny2502
                                Technician

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                                50+ Posts
                                • Mar 2020
                                • 77
                                #23
                                Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                                Hi,

                                this issue is still existing in 2022 with a bizhub PRO C754e with FS-534SD (TPC: 1.500.000 / 7 yo) with exactly this jam (​J7221).

                                Thanks for the information in this thread!

                                Ro

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                                  • blackcat4866
                                    Master Of The Obvious

                                    Site Contributor
                                    10,000+ Posts
                                    • Jul 2007
                                    • 22930
                                    #24
                                    Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                                    Just an update on this topic: Konica Minolta updated the regulating plates on the FS-534 to the newer style used on the FS536 with metal plates. The main problem with that is when I order the replacements, our parts department substitutes old or new style parts randomly, depending on what's on the shelf. So of the 6 or 8 items ~1/2 of them will be old style, ~1/2 new style. Old and new style parts are for the most part incompatible.

                                    After the first few tries at ordering, I just made up my own metal plates and adhered them to the regulating plates with contact cement. I never did deplete the mixed parts stock. I imagine someday an order will arrive with all new style parts. =^..^=
                                    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                      • femaster
                                        Service Manager

                                        1,000+ Posts
                                        • May 2011
                                        • 1458
                                        #25
                                        Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                                        Originally posted by blackcat4866
                                        Just an update on this topic: Konica Minolta updated the regulating plates on the FS-534 to the newer style used on the FS536 with metal plates. The main problem with that is when I order the replacements, our parts department substitutes old or new style parts randomly, depending on what's on the shelf. So of the 6 or 8 items ~1/2 of them will be old style, ~1/2 new style. Old and new style parts are for the most part incompatible.

                                        After the first few tries at ordering, I just made up my own metal plates and adhered them to the regulating plates with contact cement. I never did deplete the mixed parts stock. I imagine someday an order will arrive with all new style parts. =^..^=
                                        Maybe your parts department should just throw out the old ones. Why keep replacing a current problem with a future problem? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
                                        A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
                                        My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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                                          • blackcat4866
                                            Master Of The Obvious

                                            Site Contributor
                                            10,000+ Posts
                                            • Jul 2007
                                            • 22930
                                            #26
                                            Re: FS-534 alignment plate wearing.

                                            Originally posted by femaster
                                            Maybe your parts department should just throw out the old ones. Why keep replacing a current problem with a future problem? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
                                            hmmmmm, logic. Yes, we should try that. =^..^=
                                            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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