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  • dcat127
    Technician
    • Feb 2010
    • 19

    #1

    C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

    I have a c454 that is printing streaks, whenever it has been sitting for an hour or so. After printing about 25 pages it goes away. See attached example, it is most visible in the lower right hand corner.

    I have already put in new imaging units(all colors), and changed the transfer belt unit.

    I would appreciate any thoughts you might have.
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  • Phil B.
    Field Supervisor

    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2016
    • 22804

    #2
    Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

    Originally posted by dcat127
    I have a c454 that is printing streaks, whenever it has been sitting for an hour or so. After printing about 25 pages it goes away. See attached example, it is most visible in the lower right hand corner.

    I have already put in new imaging units(all colors), and changed the transfer belt unit.

    I would appreciate any thoughts you might have.
    print or copy?did you clean the machine ?

    what about the developer units?

    total page count on machine?

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    • copier tech
      Field Supervisor

      5,000+ Posts
      • Jan 2014
      • 8033

      #3
      Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

      Are you using genuine toner?
      Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

      For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

      www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

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      • dcat127
        Technician
        • Feb 2010
        • 19

        #4
        Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

        print or copy? Both

        did you clean the machine ? You mean vac out any spilled toner? Or is their a cleaning cycle I am not familiar with?

        what about the developer units? Only black has been changed, but it appears that this is black toner...

        total page count on machine? 1.2 million

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        • Phil B.
          Field Supervisor

          10,000+ Posts
          • Jul 2016
          • 22804

          #5
          Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

          Originally posted by dcat127
          print or copy? Both

          did you clean the machine ? You mean vac out any spilled toner? Or is their a cleaning cycle I am not familiar with?
          yes vac out and clean w/ stretch n dust cloth

          what about the developer units? Only black has been changed, but it appears that this is black toner...
          is it BLACK or grey (mixed waste toner)

          total page count on machine? 1.2 million
          did you think to look at the FUSER?

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          • JR2ALTA
            Service Manager

            Site Contributor
            1,000+ Posts
            • Feb 2010
            • 2023

            #6
            Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

            Odd, It sure looks like the transfer belt blade isn't cleaning well. I see a mixture of color, some yellowish but maybe that's the file.

            I know you replaced the unit, does this machine have a waste cleaning system that can back up into the unit, or maybe just spill over in general?

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            • blackcat4866
              Master Of The Obvious

              Site Contributor
              10,000+ Posts
              • Jul 2007
              • 22808

              #7
              Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

              Originally posted by dcat127
              I have a c454 that is printing streaks, whenever it has been sitting for an hour or so. After printing about 25 pages it goes away. See attached example, it is most visible in the lower right hand corner.

              I have already put in new imaging units(all colors), and changed the transfer belt unit.

              I would appreciate any thoughts you might have.
              Originally posted by dcat127
              print or copy? Both

              did you clean the machine ? You mean vac out any spilled toner? Or is their a cleaning cycle I am not familiar with?

              what about the developer units? Only black has been changed, but it appears that this is black toner...

              total page count on machine? 1.2 million
              Please excuse my pointing out this inconsistency: Firstly this series of machines uses separate drum and developing units, so technically there is not a single image unit and you could not have changed all of them if they don't exist. Then in the next post you changed only a black developing unit. This fault is by all appearances a worn black drum issue (since you're a bit unclear on this: yes drums and developing units are different).

              So did you or did you not change the black drum?

              I did look at your scan. The area of background is definitely ~3% K only. That could be because you scanned in B&W or because the problem is with the black drum. There is no way for me to distinguish.

              Keep in mind that transfer waste is more brown colored IF you do a lot of color printing. If you do all black printing the transfer waste will be mostly black. =^..^=
              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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              • 3ktlc
                Trusted Tech

                Site Contributor
                100+ Posts
                • Feb 2018
                • 178

                #8
                Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                check the fuser

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                • allan
                  RTFM!!

                  5,000+ Posts
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 5450

                  #9
                  Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                  Did you initialize the transfer belt so that it gets primed. This machine will flip the cleaning blade if that is not done.
                  News on the condition of the K drum?
                  Change it out with one of the color drums to test.
                  Whatever

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                  • copier tech
                    Field Supervisor

                    5,000+ Posts
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 8033

                    #10
                    Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                    Originally posted by copier tech
                    Are you using genuine toner?
                    Well ?
                    Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

                    For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

                    www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

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                    • dcat127
                      Technician
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 19

                      #11
                      Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                      Originally posted by copier tech
                      Are you using genuine toner?
                      Yes

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                      • dcat127
                        Technician
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 19

                        #12
                        Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                        Originally posted by blackcat4866
                        Please excuse my pointing out this inconsistency: Firstly this series of machines uses separate drum and developing units, so technically there is not a single image unit and you could not have changed all of them if they don't exist. Then in the next post you changed only a black developing unit. This fault is by all appearances a worn black drum issue (since you're a bit unclear on this: yes drums and developing units are different).

                        So did you or did you not change the black drum?

                        I did look at your scan. The area of background is definitely ~3% K only. That could be because you scanned in B&W or because the problem is with the black drum. There is no way for me to distinguish.

                        Keep in mind that transfer waste is more brown colored IF you do a lot of color printing. If you do all black printing the transfer waste will be mostly black. =^..^=
                        Sorry, my mistake. All the drums have been changed, and the black developing unit.

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                        • dcat127
                          Technician
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 19

                          #13
                          Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                          Thanks for everyone's replies. After looking at it closer I am convinced this is an issue of the wiper blade not cleaning the transfer belt properly. I removed the transfer belt unit, you can clearly see some toner, and what looks like some kind of fuzz stuck between the wiper blade and the belt at the exact spots that the streaks are coming from. After I cleaned all that out and put back together it prints fine. However I let it sit overnight, the first copies out of the machine again show that streak...

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                          • copier tech
                            Field Supervisor

                            5,000+ Posts
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 8033

                            #14
                            Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                            When you you replaced the transfer unit did the line return in the same place?
                            Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

                            For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

                            www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

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                            • dcat127
                              Technician
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 19

                              #15
                              Re: C454 Printing streaks on first pages.

                              Originally posted by copier tech
                              When you you replaced the transfer unit did the line return in the same place?
                              I am not 100% sure. It actually disappeared for maybe 20k copies before returning.

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