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  • ttopman
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2018
    • 9

    Vertical Bands C1070

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    Hello guys,
    I need help with this I started getting two vertical lines a cross all pages on Yellow and Magenta lines. Drums are at 21%. Shortly after this, error C4631 began to pop up.

    Any ideas how to resolve this?
  • Phil B.
    Field Supervisor

    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2016
    • 22808

    #2
    Re: Vertical Bands C1070

    Originally posted by ttopman
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    Hello guys,
    I need help with this I started getting two vertical lines a cross all pages on Yellow and Magenta lines. Drums are at 21%. Shortly after this, error C4631 began to pop up.

    Any ideas how to resolve this?
    looks like a M dev unit

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    • Toxic
      Senior Tech

      500+ Posts
      • Dec 2009
      • 690

      #3
      Re: Vertical Bands C1070

      What is distance between this white void areas?

      Approx 188mm pitch: Damage on the drum surface
      Approx 44mm pitch: Developer conveyance failure of developing sleeve

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      • blackcat4866
        Master Of The Obvious

        Site Contributor
        10,000+ Posts
        • Jul 2007
        • 22698

        #4
        Re: Vertical Bands C1070

        Originally posted by Toxic
        What is distance between this white void areas?

        Approx 188mm pitch: Damage on the drum surface
        Approx 44mm pitch: Developer conveyance failure of developing sleeve
        Yup, I'm thinking drum too. =^..^=
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • Phil B.
          Field Supervisor

          10,000+ Posts
          • Jul 2016
          • 22808

          #5
          Re: Vertical Bands C1070

          Originally posted by blackcat4866
          Yup, I'm thinking drum too. =^..^=
          I thought I saw LEF Feed. Am I wrong?

          Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

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          • blackcat4866
            Master Of The Obvious

            Site Contributor
            10,000+ Posts
            • Jul 2007
            • 22698

            #6
            Re: Vertical Bands C1070

            Originally posted by Phil B.
            I thought I saw LEF Feed. Am I wrong?

            Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
            I viewed this print as Ledger (11 x 17) or Full Bleed (12 x 18), SEF. Super B+ (13 x 19) would have larger voids. These are the typical paper sizes used on the presses. =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • Phil B.
              Field Supervisor

              10,000+ Posts
              • Jul 2016
              • 22808

              #7
              Re: Vertical Bands C1070

              Originally posted by blackcat4866
              I viewed this print as Ledger (11 x 17) or Full Bleed (12 x 18), SEF. Super B+ (13 x 19) would have larger voids. These are the typical paper sizes used on the presses. =^..^=
              well I can't remember the last time I didn't agree/digress to your views BC.. so put another one in the "W" column

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              • Synthohol
                Certified Konica Expert

                Site Contributor
                5,000+ Posts
                • Mar 2016
                • 5457

                #8
                Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                near the bottom of the voids there seems to be a mark that may be foreign material stuck somewhere that pushes the mag roller back momentarily?
                We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                The medication helps though...

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                • ttopman
                  Junior Member
                  • Sep 2018
                  • 9

                  #9
                  Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                  Originally posted by Toxic
                  What is distance between this white void areas?

                  Approx 188mm pitch: Damage on the drum surface
                  Approx 44mm pitch: Developer conveyance failure of developing sleeve
                  Measured the lines, it's approx 88mm gap.
                  I have this on Yellow too. Dev mag roller shows no sign of failure.
                  Find this very annoying

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                  • ttopman
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2018
                    • 9

                    #10
                    Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                    Originally posted by Synthohol
                    near the bottom of the voids there seems to be a mark that may be foreign material stuck somewhere that pushes the mag roller back momentarily?
                    We've had the drums checked. There was some artifact there, had it removed at the expense of the drums. The problem though is that I have this on Yellow as well, the yellow drums are clean and good.

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                    • blackcat4866
                      Master Of The Obvious

                      Site Contributor
                      10,000+ Posts
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 22698

                      #11
                      Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                      I've had my share of invisible drum flaws. Swap the drum to another color. If the flaw follows, replace it. =^..^=
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                      • tsbservice
                        Field tech

                        Site Contributor
                        5,000+ Posts
                        • May 2007
                        • 7635

                        #12
                        Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                        Originally posted by ttopman
                        Measured the lines, it's approx 88mm gap.
                        I have this on Yellow too. Dev mag roller shows no sign of failure.
                        Find this very annoying
                        So sample is A4 size, lines are in parallel with feed direction, right?
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                        • ttopman
                          Junior Member
                          • Sep 2018
                          • 9

                          #13
                          Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                          Originally posted by tsbservice
                          So sample is A4 size, lines are in parallel with feed direction, right?
                          Print is 12x18. Yes in feed direction

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                          • tsbservice
                            Field tech

                            Site Contributor
                            5,000+ Posts
                            • May 2007
                            • 7635

                            #14
                            Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                            Originally posted by ttopman
                            Print is 12x18. Yes in feed direction
                            Sample Full Bleed 12x18 and distance between white bands is ONLY 88 mm. And in feed direction?
                            Somehow hard to believe that from what we can see. Are you sure distance isn't 188mm?
                            Go swap drums and report back.
                            A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                            Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                            • ttopman
                              Junior Member
                              • Sep 2018
                              • 9

                              #15
                              Re: Vertical Bands C1070

                              Originally posted by tsbservice
                              Sample Full Bleed 12x18 and distance between white bands is ONLY 88 mm. And in feed direction?
                              Somehow hard to believe that from what we can see. Are you sure distance isn't 188mm?
                              Go swap drums and report back.
                              Changed the drums. The gaps are gone. It was invisible drum damage.

                              Thanks everyone.

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