USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

[bouzaydy]

HELLO FRIENDS
due to an electricity problem on my C452 i get the error C-3B02 which mean that the IH supply is not working so i repair it by replacing of some electrical companement then was working fine for about 2 without any error up after the electricity is down which mean that the probleme is coming from IH coil so i have to change IH coil unfourtanly i don't have it but i have an IH coil and IH supply of c451 puuum good idea i say why not using the IH coil and IH supply of c451 on my c452 i make a comparison
so for the IH Coil looks good .
booom the diffirence i find is concerning the cable that relay the IH supply and logical cards !!!!! i find that the cable of c451 is consisting from 6 circuit and but on c452 is just 5 circuit.
the question is about if i can just connecting the 5 ciruit on CNB connector if this can work wiche ones i can connect???!!
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[bouzaydy]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

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[jotunn]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

They seem to be a bit different - there is an additional ground (GND) connection in C451, but the most important difference is IHPU_MON signal in C452 against IHPU SIDE_ON in C451 (see attachment).

[bouzaydy]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

They seem to be a bit different - there is an additional ground (GND) connection in C451, but the most important difference is IHPU_MON signal in C452 against IHPU SIDE_ON in C451 (see attachment).

Thanks jotunn


i didn't understand the difference between IHPU_MON signal and IHPU SIDE_ON ??
ok i find something on IHPU of c451 !! if find that the R83 is not connected anywhere on board also the DS6 not connected what can you say about this?

SEE ATTACHMENT.

[Woxner]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

if you do this and it goes wrong causes fire etc you will be in deep #####

[bouzaydy]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

if you do this and it goes wrong causes fire etc you will be in deep #####

Realy it bad idea but i have to calculate probability of success

[Phil B.]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

Thanks jotunn i didn't understand the difference between IHPU_MON signal and IHPU SIDE_ON ??
ok i find something on IHPU of c451 !! if find that the R83 is not connected anywhere on board also the DS6 not connected what can you say about this? SEE ATTACHMENT.

you are talking about 2 different units...
different components on each
different connections on each.. ( each conn runs a different circuit)

WHAT the hell makes you think you can pull one item of a board put on other and make it work? ( different parts = different VALUES/SIGNALS/Voltages

"i didn't understand the difference between IHPU_MON signal and IHPU SIDE_ON ??"
Your service manual CLEARLY explains what these are...

Clearly: 1) Don't have the manual or REFUSE to read it. RTFM!!!!
2) You are not TRAINED on this unit
3) You have no concept of volts/values of parts
4) This is BEYOND your SKILL LEVEL
5) BUY NEW BOARD.. INSTALL ... BE DONE!

[bouzaydy]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

you are talking about 2 different units...
different components on each
different connections on each.. ( each conn runs a different circuit)

WHAT the hell makes you think you can pull one item of a board put on other and make it work? ( different parts = different VALUES/SIGNALS/Voltages

"i didn't understand the difference between IHPU_MON signal and IHPU SIDE_ON ??"
Your service manual CLEARLY explains what these are...

Clearly: 1) Don't have the manual or REFUSE to read it. RTFM!!!!
2) You are not TRAINED on this unit
3) You have no concept of volts/values of parts
4) This is BEYOND your SKILL LEVEL
5) BUY NEW BOARD.. INSTALL ... BE DONE!

[KeNecs]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

you are talking about 2 different units...
different components on each
different connections on each.. ( each conn runs a different circuit)

WHAT the hell makes you think you can pull one item of a board put on other and make it work? ( different parts = different VALUES/SIGNALS/Voltages

"i didn't understand the difference between IHPU_MON signal and IHPU SIDE_ON ??"
Your service manual CLEARLY explains what these are...

Clearly: 1) Don't have the manual or REFUSE to read it. RTFM!!!!
2) You are not TRAINED on this unit
3) You have no concept of volts/values of parts
4) This is BEYOND your SKILL LEVEL
5) BUY NEW BOARD.. INSTALL ... BE DONE!

100% Agree with Phil B,you should never use a part not designed for the machine you are repairing, especially something as critical as a power supply or IN coil! At best it can cause error codes and other problems, at worst it can cause a fire!

[Phil B.]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

I DO NOT SEND COPYRIGHTED MATERIALS to non qualified - certified people.
It's not the volts/values ON THE BOARD... it's the tolerances of the COMPONENTS!
THIS PROVES TO ME YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED!

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[bouzaydy]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

OK no matter Phil i understand you I WILL REPAIRE THE ORIGINAL BOARD
I ALREADY DO THAT AND HAVE SOMTHING WRONG ON IH COIL THIS IS WHY I M NOT HAPPY TO GET A NEW IH SUPPLY CARD
WHAT ABOUT IH COIL OF C451 IT CAN WORK on C452 IH SUPPLAY I SEE THAT IT HAVE TWO ADITIONAL (GRD) ??

[copyman]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

It is obvious you are set on trying this so go ahead and try it! Personally I wouldn't want to take a chance of blowing out the main board, etc. Especially with a high voltage board.

[bouzaydy]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

It is obvious you are set on trying this so go ahead and try it! Personally I wouldn't want to take a chance of blowing out the main board, etc. Especially with a high voltage board.

I Try it and appaire no probleme

what i have as new is that i repaire the IH board for the second time all is gone fine until i listen bad sound like "tiktikitik" without waiting until losting the two transistor i cut the electricity as resulte
- the transistors on baord were very hot
- i can say that the original IH coil is fine
- so have to look on IH baord

[bouzaydy]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

what about this "omron g4a-1a-pe 12vdc"

[allan]

Re: USING IH COIL And IH power supply of C451 BIZHUB ON C452

Buddy i also pull tricks like this. But that means you are on your own.
Hope the building its in is insured.

You probably have a bad cap on there.
If that omron you are talking about is probably a relay and it ticking is not your problem. Its a high current switching supply.
The ticking is it switching on and then protection or error condition switching it back of again.
Yes that will heat up semiconductors because lots of current is pulsing thru them.