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  • Ari007
    Technician
    • Apr 2019
    • 49

    [Misc] Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

    Hello Techs,

    [Entire Story]
    I have a low copy KM c224e (only 24060 transfer belt count), (Brand New Purchased 03/2016). This machine had a problem(moisture) with Duplex and Vertical Transport Sensors(Photointerrupters - A108M50100) from the first. All of the sensors been replaced by dealer's tech and the machine was working fine. In Aug 2018, there was some electrical issue going on in our area and the machine faced repeated power cuts at full load. From August end, I discovered some deep sleep issue(once the machine is in sleep mode it can't return from sleep, have to do full bootup). I just increased the sleep time and the problem was somehow solved. From Sept, it started panel freezing and by the end of sept it showed two sharkfin at the boot screen and froze there. Called the service tech and he told it's the MFP so I told him to check it in another machine and if results bad then swap it from another scrap machine as it'll be a total loss for me to buy brand new (They ask almost $1000 for new MFPB). Two weeks later he came with a board from a scrap, installed it and the machine didn't show any response (no display, just nothing). Then I refitted my old motherboard and took the K9 firmware from him.
    {My part starts}
    From the first I doubted that it must be another issue because if the motherboard is half booting and displays two sharkfins every time then it must be either HDD or the OS (as per Normal Computer troubleshooting). I did a CMOS battery reset, discharged the DC Power Supply(Type B) and prepared the MFPB reset usb with A145FW.TAR and put it in service port and voila. It booted up>>installed firmware>>rebooted>>machine is up..Did the diagnostic check from service menu, everything was good. I accidentally logical formatted the hdd so it returned a movie data error. Everything else was fine. Then in January end, it showed the issue again. I replaced the film connector b/w MFPB & PRCB. Two days earlier, Somehow managed to firmware it up, got the demo page printout>>network printed one calibration print(ColorCard.pdf)..everything was fine but after sometime, it went to sleep and didn't return back. Turned the main SW off & on and it didn't booted. Kept it like 5 or 6 mins, checked the process is heating up, Machine rear side cooling fan(FM3) is spinning.
    SSD FW ver 6.05m
    I don't know which part is causing this issue. Anyone help please...
  • rrrohan
    Service Manager

    Site Contributor
    1,000+ Posts
    • Sep 2011
    • 1971

    #2
    Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

    From August end, I discovered some deep sleep issue(once the machine is in sleep mode it can't return from sleep, have to do full bootup)
    this was a known issue. I just disable sleep and just had copier go into low power mode instead

    Two weeks later he came with a board from a scrap, installed it and the machine didn't show any response
    Did he just change the MFP?
    The Manual states you can not do that or it will corrupt data.
    It had to be a brand new MFP, he might of screwed it even worse now.mfp.JPG
    Last edited by rrrohan; 04-16-2019, 08:13 AM. Reason: add picture

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    • Ari007
      Technician
      • Apr 2019
      • 49

      #3
      Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

      Originally posted by rrrohan
      this was a known issue. I just disable sleep and just had copier go into low power mode instead


      Did he just change the MFP?
      The Manual states you can not do that or it will corrupt data.
      It had to be a brand new MFP, he might of screwed it even worse now.[ATTACH=CONFIG]42376[/ATTACH]
      After this, I have used the machine and printed approx 600-800 copies A3. And fortunately, that board was a dead board. I doubt that SSD is faulty and it showed freezing issues in Sept,18.

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      • Ari007
        Technician
        • Apr 2019
        • 49

        #4
        Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

        11.jpg I found this from the forum which means my machine's SSD was bad from long ago. But I am wondering by which magical power it did run fine for the last two months and approx 800 copies been printed. I have no clue at all.

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        • rrrohan
          Service Manager

          Site Contributor
          1,000+ Posts
          • Sep 2011
          • 1971

          #5
          Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

          is the meter reading count correct? this is good indication of if corruption occured

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          • Ari007
            Technician
            • Apr 2019
            • 49

            #6
            Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

            Originally posted by rrrohan
            is the meter reading count correct? this is good indication of if corruption occured

            yes..


            and one more thing: though the machine is not booting up, if I plug the network cable green led is glowing.

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            • Bix
              Service Manager

              1,000+ Posts
              • Apr 2018
              • 1421

              #7
              Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

              What I'm about to say may be nonsense but it happened to me.


              A printer never turned on again. I was going to take it all apart, hoping to find the fault.


              By pure chance, I opened the small door on the right to remove the network cable and I made a discovery ... some cables were almost detached and badly fixed.


              Once I reattached them properly, the printer started working again.

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              • copyman
                Owner / Technician

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                2,500+ Posts
                • Sep 2005
                • 4217

                #8
                Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                Try turning on machine with the USB service port door open and no flash drive inserted. This metal cover is secured with one screw. This metal little cover blocks a sensor when closed. There is a bulletin about leaving this open for machine that won't boot up. It's just for troubleshooting purposes but will allow you to enter enter service modes etc. to format HDD, SSD, etc. I had one C224 I had to leave open permanently for customer to use machine.

                Agree with other poster always turn off sleep mode. You have to go into service mode first and "permit" sleep mode change. Then turn off in admin mode.
                Last edited by copyman; 04-16-2019, 01:00 PM.

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                • gere1
                  Technician
                  • Oct 2018
                  • 20

                  #9
                  Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                  If the screen stays black, it may be the ram

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                  • Ari007
                    Technician
                    • Apr 2019
                    • 49

                    #10
                    Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                    Originally posted by copyman
                    Try turning on machine with the USB service port door open and no flash drive inserted. This metal cover is secured with one screw. This metal little cover blocks a sensor when closed. There is a bulletin about leaving this open for machine that won't boot up. It's just for troubleshooting purposes but will allow you to enter enter service modes etc. to format HDD, SSD, etc. I had one C224 I had to leave open permanently for customer to use machine.

                    Agree with other poster always turn off sleep mode. You have to go into service mode first and "permit" sleep mode change. Then turn off in admin mode.
                    Have to try this one..

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                    • Ari007
                      Technician
                      • Apr 2019
                      • 49

                      #11
                      Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                      For yesterday afternoon the machine was dead. Now suddenly the machine booted up with no display. It's completely booted, I can tell by listening to the sound of motors. Positive sign.

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                      • Bix
                        Service Manager

                        1,000+ Posts
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 1421

                        #12
                        Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                        It looks like it looks more like some cable not connected well

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                        • Ari007
                          Technician
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 49

                          #13
                          Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                          Re-checked every connector.... Waited 10mins thinking what to do... Inserted the tar file into the firmware slot.... Turned on the main switch and voila... It turned on>>read the tar file>>Displayed "Data Initialization Completed!">>Turned off main sw>>removed pendrive>>turned back main sw on>>not booted again...

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                          • copyman
                            Owner / Technician

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                            • Sep 2005
                            • 4217

                            #14
                            Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                            Did you try what I posted earlier?

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                            • gere1
                              Technician
                              • Oct 2018
                              • 20

                              #15
                              Re: Bizhub C224e Unknown Issue

                              have you tried to change the ssd
                              I had something similar probe all the fimware I had
                              It worked a few days and another see black screen
                              when changing ssd the problem was not repeated

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