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  • kombo2
    Technician
    • Oct 2018
    • 16

    Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

    Since some time there are white dots in the prints, even visible when text is printed. Even more visible is this in grey prints. Additionally there are some lines visible, especially in grey areas. Does anyone know what the cause of these problems might be? Is it a cleaning issue or is there a part that has to be replaced? The device is used very little (~5000 pages printed). Attached scans of grey, black and cyan prints.
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  • blackcat4866
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    • Jul 2007
    • 22703

    #2
    Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

    Were I to guess, I'd say that you've got label adhesive on the black drum. How it got transferred from the primary transfer belt without leaving it on the belt ... I don't know.

    The photoconductor or "drum" is an optical device. Light exposes the imaged (dark) areas of the drum, and anything stuck on the surface acts like a filter, leaving white anomalies at 96mm intervals. The lighter lines in the feed direction are probably just a dirty black laser slit glass.

    If it were me, I'd remove the imaging units, and use the wand to clean the laser slit glasses. I would then re-install the C/M/Y imaging units. Then I would clean whatever is stuck to the black drum. This is the tricky part, since the drum is inside the imaging unit, and you can only see a small part of it at a time. I would would use paraffin lamp oil to clean a small area with a cotton pad and gently wipe only (don't scrub). Then rinse with alcohol on a cotton pad. Rotate 1/10th of a rotation and repeat, until you get all the way around the drum.

    There will be residue on the drum, so you'll see a pattern that repeats at 96mm over the next 50 to 100 prints, until the drum wiper has squeegee'd off the residue.

    =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • copier tech
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      • Jan 2014
      • 7934

      #3
      Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

      Originally posted by kombo2
      Since some time there are white dots in the prints, even visible when text is printed. Even more visible is this in grey prints. Additionally there are some lines visible, especially in grey areas. Does anyone know what the cause of these problems might be? Is it a cleaning issue or is there a part that has to be replaced? The device is used very little (~5000 pages printed). Attached scans of grey, black and cyan prints.

      From your samples it looks like you need to replace the image unit. These can be replaced by the end user (you)

      From personal experience attempting to clean the unit only makes the issue worse.


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      • tsbservice
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        • May 2007
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        #4
        Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

        Agree with other guys. First remove black imaging unit and clear laser slit glass if images aren't improving replace black IU.
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        • kombo2
          Technician
          • Oct 2018
          • 16

          #5
          Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

          Thank you for your answers and ideas!

          I have tried cleaning the black opc drum with alcohol and a cotton cloth as a first step, because on inspection the white spots were visible as clots of toner that were stuck to the drum. Result is that the white spots are gone : ). If they come back after some time then i will probably replace the black imaging unit.

          Unfortunately the vertical lines are still there, in the grey prints very visible, in the cyan only very faint (see attached scans). I have wiped what i think is the laser slit glas but that looks clean, see attached photo. I was thinking that maybe the vertical lines do not originate from the opc drum, but maybe from the transfer belt? I think at some point i read that these devices are known for damagin transfer belts. I have attached a photo of the transfer belt, there are some lines visible, but i am not sure if they are responsible for what is visible in the prints. What do you think?
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          • blackcat4866
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            • Jul 2007
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            #6
            Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

            That is the laser glass that you have photographed. It's unlikely that the inside of the black laser is dirty, and the inside of the color lasers are all clean.

            It's possible that it's a developing issue ... requiring replacing the black imaging unit. =^..^=
            Last edited by blackcat4866; 05-03-2021, 06:35 PM.
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • tsbservice
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              • May 2007
              • 7635

              #7
              Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

              It's not hard to remove all toners, WTB all IUs and ITB itself. Then post a picture of whole belt.
              A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
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              • kombo2
                Technician
                • Oct 2018
                • 16

                #8
                Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

                Here are 2 photos of the transfer belt. Can you identify if this looks normal or not?
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                • blackcat4866
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                  • Jul 2007
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                  #9
                  Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

                  Originally posted by kombo2
                  Here are 2 photos of the transfer belt. Can you identify if this looks normal or not?
                  From what I can see, the primary transfer belt looks fine. It would affect all colors equally. =^..^=
                  If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                  1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                  2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                  3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                  4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                  5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                  blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                  • kombo2
                    Technician
                    • Oct 2018
                    • 16

                    #10
                    Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

                    I think you are right, the faint vertical lines in the color prints are probably more imagination than really there. I will try and replace the black imaging unit, after that i hope the quality will improve significantly. I will give feedback after the replacement if that fixed the problem.

                    Thank you for your help!!

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                    • tsbservice
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                      • May 2007
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                      Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

                      Originally posted by kombo2
                      I think you are right, the faint vertical lines in the color prints are probably more imagination than really there. I will try and replace the black imaging unit, after that i hope the quality will improve significantly. I will give feedback after the replacement if that fixed the problem.

                      Thank you for your help!!
                      From memories black imaging unit for this model is relatively cheap.
                      A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                      Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                      • kombo2
                        Technician
                        • Oct 2018
                        • 16

                        #12

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                        • kombo2
                          Technician
                          • Oct 2018
                          • 16

                          #13
                          Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

                          The black imaging unit replacement has arrived and i have exchanged it. Your suggestions were correct, now the vertical lines in black prints are gone (see attached scan).
                          grey4.pdf

                          I had some problems at first where the grey prints with new imaging unit showed some white spots. Also when i opened the packaging of the imaging unit, it looked like there was yellow toner on the drum, is that normal for a brand new imaging unit?
                          imagingunit.jpg


                          After gently wiping the drum the spots that appeared in the first prints disappeared, but on a horizontal line on the drum it looked like there are small dots of black toner stuck to it (see picture of drum). I could not remove those by gently wiping the drum. So at the moment there are some tiny white spots in the grey prints, almost invisible, but i fear those will get bigger over time and maybe even the lines will reappear. Do you have any idea what these small dots on the drum might be or what the cause for this might be?
                          drum.jpg

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                          • blackcat4866
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                            #14
                            Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

                            Yes, it's normal for all drum blades to be primed with yellow toner, on all manufacturers, all models.

                            The small defects you see are on the drum surface. The will not get worse, and they won't go away. You're only recourse is to order another drum (or live with it). Do not try to polish or remove the defects, you will make it worse. =^..^=
                            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                            • kombo2
                              Technician
                              • Oct 2018
                              • 16

                              #15
                              Re: Konica Minolta C3350 white spots and vertical lines in black/grey prints

                              That about the yellow toner is good to know, thanks!

                              Any idea what might cause these defects, i think similar ones were on the old drum. I am not sure if those defects have already been there when i got the imaging unit, i suspect my printer is causing those.

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