Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

[Hansoon]

Most of our A3-mono rental machines are of the BH-363/423 series. Our experiences with them are really very good. However it seems time now to find a successor for them. Not necessarily the latest generation, but they should be at least as reliable as the BH-363/423 series. Which KonicaMinolta bizhub model would you guys advise?

Hans

[Copier Addict]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

Most of our A3-mono rental machines are of the BH-363/423 series. Our experiences with them are really very good. However it seems time now to find a successor for them. Not necessarily the latest generation, but they should be at least as reliable as the BH-363/423 series. Which KonicaMinolta bizhub model would you guys advise?

Hans

You certainly can't go wrong with the Bizhub 224e, 284e or 364e
Same as colour e series machines. Very reliable.

[Toxic]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

4e machines are good but i like little bit more 227_287_367.
These machines does not have transfer belt and fusers are longer lasting and simpler construction without fusing belt.
Have few of them arround 600k with OEM toners used, 2-3 drum units and tray feed rollers replaced, fusers still holding.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

4e machines are good but i like little bit more 227_287_367.
These machines does not have transfer belt and fusers are longer lasting and simpler construction without fusing belt.
Have few of them arround 600k with OEM toners used, 2-3 drum units and tray feed rollers replaced, fusers still holding.

I have had a totally different experience with this model range.
I find them cheaply made and service hogs.

[Toxic]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

Experiences are different though.
Yes, it is made cheaper but still good enough for me, my complaint only for 7 will be very bad trays for now especially if customer is hard handed.

[tsbservice]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

4e machines are good but i like little bit more 227_287_367.
These machines does not have transfer belt and fusers are longer lasting and simpler construction without fusing belt.
Have few of them arround 600k with OEM toners used, 2-3 drum units and tray feed rollers replaced, fusers still holding.

As much ad I love 4/4e series machines I would say you're probably right. 7 series small OP and noisy duplex are annoying yes but I have biz 287 with 1.1M count still
running and yes fusers last, drums last, a plethora of filters you know(recently I found 4th filter called 'Stench filter Assy' funny , it's in reversal section not PM part).
Generally I would recomend both series. If Hans prefer to keep 4/4e line for color models maybe is better idea to have them and for B&W models but it also depends on prices and availability.

[Gift]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

I like the mono 4e series (if it comes with the modified duplex/reversal unit) way over it's predecessors.
Interesting to hear something about the 7 series, we kind of never placed them in the field because everybody reacted MC Hammer a-like "can't touch this.."

[tech51]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

You certainly can't go wrong with the Bizhub 224e, 284e or 364e
Same as colour e series machines. Very reliable.

Be aware there is an issue with the backup batteries on this range which could be expensive to repair.

[copyman]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

Be aware there is an issue with the backup batteries on this range which could be expensive to repair.

What "range" are you talking about? Several models were mentioned in this thread? I don't have any "7" series I service so hope that is the model you are talking about with battery issues.

As for the "3" series, yes they were great machines and used the same footprint going all way back to the Di251. Same drum/dev setup with 2 hooks you pull out from side.

I've replaced all but a few with Biz 224e's. All working great!

[tech51]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

What "range" are you talking about? Several models were mentioned in this thread? I don't have any "7" series I service so hope that is the model you are talking about with battery issues.

As for the "3" series, yes they were great machines and used the same footprint going all way back to the Di251. Same drum/dev setup with 2 hooks you pull out from side.

I've replaced all but a few with Biz 224e's. All working great!

The 4 series has an issue, particularly on older examples where the backup battery fails causing various issues including not booting and other error messages.

GHV M1 firmware is the preventative firmware for this but is not a cure.

There are other threads on this site about this.

All I was trying to say is that there can be a problem especially if your buying older used equipment.

[herbert]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

Most of our A3-mono rental machines are of the BH-363/423 series. Our experiences with them are really very good. However it seems time now to find a successor for them. Not necessarily the latest generation, but they should be at least as reliable as the BH-363/423 series. Which KonicaMinolta bizhub model would you guys advise?

Hans

You can try bizhub 367.They are not bad although the screen ia abit smaller compared to the 3 series

[copyman]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

The 4 series has an issue, particularly on older examples where the backup battery fails causing various issues including not booting and other error messages.

GHV M1 firmware is the preventative firmware for this but is not a cure.

There are other threads on this site about this.

All I was trying to say is that there can be a problem especially if your buying older used equipment.

Interesting, I still have over 100 "4" series I service and never had any issues with batteries so have to disagree with you on this. I just went through the latest Kon/Min "ALL solutions" and don't see anything about failing batteries. If it was that much of an issue you think there would be a bulletin about it? Perhaps I missed it. Can you provide any documentation on this? Since I have many of these machines I would like to know more about this if a real issue.

[Hansoon]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

I've heard from a wholesaler that his might happen when the machine is longer without power. So typically when the machine is taken out of service and going into storage for a longer period.

Hans

[tech51]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

Interesting, I still have over 100 "4" series I service and never had any issues with batteries so have to disagree with you on this. I just went through the latest Kon/Min "ALL solutions" and don't see anything about failing batteries. If it was that much of an issue you think there would be a bulletin about it? Perhaps I missed it. Can you provide any documentation on this? Since I have many of these machines I would like to know more about this if a real issue.

[tech51]

Re: Good successor for the BH-363/423 series

I've heard from a wholesaler that his might happen when the machine is longer without power. So typically when the machine is taken out of service and going into storage for a longer period.

Hans