C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

[Oystercopy]

Hey guys...

I'm wondering, does anyone use the Black Drum in place of the Colors on this model? If you swap the chips, will it fit and work?

Thanks in advance!
OC

[Brad6784]

C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

Hey guys...

I'm wondering, does anyone use the Black Drum in place of the Colors on this model? If you swap the chips, will it fit and work?

Thanks in advance!
OC

[Mr Bo]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

Hey guys...

I'm wondering, does anyone use the Black Drum in place of the Colors on this model? If you swap the chips, will it fit and work?

Thanks in advance!
OC

Hi Oystercopy
Drum K Unit is designed not to be installed in Drum C/M/Y position and vice versa.
They basically use the same things except for the plastic frame

[tsbservice]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

Hi Oystercopy
Drum K Unit is designed not to be installed in Drum C/M/Y position and vice versa.
They basically use the same things except for the plastic frame

What's is difference besides plastic frames and chips ?
Basic components are the same across older series and i series isn't exception.

[Mr Bo]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

What's is difference besides plastic frames and chips ?
Basic components are the same across older series and i series isn't exception.

today i tried on bhC450i, Drum C/M/Y and Drum unit K are all interchangeable and just different chip;
Thanks Mr. tsbservice for reminding

[Don N.]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

today i tried on bhC450i, Drum C/M/Y and Drum unit K are all interchangeable and just different chip;
Thanks Mr. tsbservice for reminding

MR BO-
CAUTION!
Refer to previous Brad6784 saying the end caps are different. That spaces the drum off of the dv unit. You should notice F to B gradation or density differences. Huge hi step on the K spacer vs smooth on YMC spacer. HINT: The YMC spacer MUST be just a hair above the cap surface so your fingernail will "pick" it when you slide across from end cap to spacer. Early on with 8 series (same thing applies) we had YMC drums pull DV off the mag roller with improper end cap spacing. It only took 1 page to see the mag brush smashed down and/or pulled at the front. Can ruin drums quickly. It is extremely critical to get right if you ever loosen the two screws nearest the drum shaft. (DON'T!!!) Just swap the old used YMC end caps to the new K drum. On the 8's (DR313K) you also remove the screwed on K stopper toward the rear. On the i series (DR316K) you break off the molded stopper at the very end and shave it smooth.
Same YMC chip works for 4e/8/i series.

I have not touched the rear end caps. Previous comment Brad6784 mentioned front & rear. Not aware of any diff with the rear. Brad6784 Can you confirm?

[Gift]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

It is extremely critical to get right if you ever loosen the two screws nearest the drum shaft. (DON'T!!!)

LOL guess most of us learned it the hard way

We never interchanged BK/COL within the iSeries since both are "kind of" expensive.

[femaster]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

LOL guess most of us learned it the hard way

Yes, I do believe a good majority of us learned the hard way.

Remove only the 3 screws that hold the end piece on, DO NOT touch the 2 screws directly opposite of each other near the metal drum shaft. Spent a LOT of time fine tuning that to get it right after I screwed up one of those. Lesson learned and never again after that!

[allan]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

The chips are not the same as the 4 or 8 series....

[Don N.]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

The chips are not the same as the 4 or 8 series....

Konica Minolta
DRUM UNIT RESET CHIP FOR C/M/Y COLOR UNITS WITH CNC CUTOUT
COPYLITE BRAND
Compatible models
KONICA MINOLTA
bizhub C224, bizhub C224e, bizhub C250i, bizhub C258, bizhub C284, bizhub C284e, bizhub C300i, bizhub C308, bizhub C360i, bizhub C364, bizhub C364e, bizhub C368, bizhub C454, bizhub C454e, bizhub C458, bizhub C554, bizhub C554e, bizhub C558, bizhub C658
MURATEC
MFX-C2280, MFX-C2280N, MFX-C2590, MFX-C2880, MFX-C2880N, MFX-C3090, MFX-C3680, MFX-C3680N, MFX-C3690, MFX-C4580N, MFX-C4590, MFX-C5580N, MFX-C5590
Part #: CHP224CMY

[allan]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

Konica Minolta
DRUM UNIT RESET CHIP FOR C/M/Y COLOR UNITS WITH CNC CUTOUT
COPYLITE BRAND
Compatible models
KONICA MINOLTA
bizhub C224, bizhub C224e, bizhub C250i, bizhub C258, bizhub C284, bizhub C284e, bizhub C300i, bizhub C308, bizhub C360i, bizhub C364, bizhub C364e, bizhub C368, bizhub C454, bizhub C454e, bizhub C458, bizhub C554, bizhub C554e, bizhub C558, bizhub C658
MURATEC
MFX-C2280, MFX-C2280N, MFX-C2590, MFX-C2880, MFX-C2880N, MFX-C3090, MFX-C3680, MFX-C3680N, MFX-C3690, MFX-C4580N, MFX-C4590, MFX-C5580N, MFX-C5590
Part #: CHP224CMY

Thanks for correcting me. Come to think about it the issue I had was with a C550i machine where I had trouble resetting the color drums. On the chips there are 2 SMD components one is a fuse that triggers the new article detection when it blows and then there is a resistor. The voltage drop across the resistor serves to identify the type of drum color or b/w. When I inspected the chip on the existing drum it had two resistors instead of a fuse and a resistor. That confused me because the after market CMY chips was marked for the i series but did not reset the values and caused an error stating that the incorrect drum type was installed.

I do not see the C550i listed above. Wondering what would be the difference between DR318 and DR618 units.

[Gift]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

Thanks for correcting me. Come to think about it the issue I had was with a C550i machine where I had trouble resetting the color drums. On the chips there are 2 SMD components one is a fuse that triggers the new article detection when it blows and then there is a resistor. The voltage drop across the resistor serves to identify the type of drum color or b/w. When I inspected the chip on the existing drum it had two resistors instead of a fuse and a resistor. That confused me because the after market CMY chips was marked for the i series but did not reset the values and caused an error stating that the incorrect drum type was installed.

I do not see the C550i listed above. Wondering what would be the difference between DR318 and DR618 units.

I think you can use them with the C550i since you can put DR318 in them AFAIK - machine recognises the lower PM yield though.

[REGSIS]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

LOL guess most of us learned it the hard way

We never interchanged BK/COL within the iSeries since both are "kind of" expensive.

I didn't try, but I assume that you can swap drum, blade, charging roller and charger cleaner from new DR-313K to housing of DR-316K/DR-316YMC. Parts should fit, and are definetly cheaper.

[Gift]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

I didn't try, but I assume that you can swap drum, blade, charging roller and charger cleaner from new DR-313K to housing of DR-316K/DR-316YMC. Parts should fit, and are definetly cheaper.

That's possible - I think you have to remove a little plastic pin in order to make the cleaning blade fit but all in all it's pretty easy. It's also possible to convert the DR-313 to 316 if you swap the rear end and waster toner auger/nozzle. This takes more time though.

[Don N.]

Re: C-360i Color/Black drum swap?

A few thoughts on these last comments-
Regarding drum yields: I assume the i series would use the same engine dsw such as 20+52 to extend life warning and end like the 8's? Have to check to manual.
Regarding swapping lower yield components to higher yield assy's: I think there was a warning from KMBS about using the 8 in an 8e. - the yield will not be realized.
I have been just using OEM so far and don't have any higher speed i's out yet to test the low speed OEM i drum in.
Had a talk with Joel at Copylite R&D about the quality of some aftermarket drums & blades, and to be sure you use the right conductive grease on the drum pin connector.

Off topic, but I wanted to mention an issue we had r/b the transfer belts on high speed 8's. We had jamming at the belt prior to the fuser entrance. The belt was stalling. No backup or clog in the cleaning unit, but I noticed the belt drive roller would slip easier than other assy's when hand turned. Especially if I apply some drag to the cl. unit gear. Finally found one screw that mounts the cl. unit to the frame was stripped, causing less pressure of the blade on that end and would torque and bind under drive force. That can cause the belt to stall, or walk to one side, or a blade flip. My bad for using an electric driver on those plastic tapping screws.
The frustrating thing was we would test extensively in svc mode (to avoid running up the customer's meter) and no toner/print on the page. We could run 500~1k pages fine, leave it thinking it was fine, then hours later the customer would run it (with print) and it would resume jamming. Made me think the cl. unit was clogging. Also assumed the toner would be a lubricant to the blade and help it turn easier vs running with no print. Gotta keep an open mind. Since this process repeated itself 3 times, then on 2 other machines in shop, we proved the t. belt ass'y. was the problem and finally found the stripped screw. Even a slightly loose screw can allow that cleaning frame to wiggle/torque/apply uneven blade pressure and bind the belt with no visible failure but jams at the belt.