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  • Stirton.M
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    • Oct 2009
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    #16
    Originally posted by drodas78
    So do I have to check for hair or speck closer to the image unit window? Can you send me a pic of where to insert the bit of paper?

    Thanks.
    Unfortunately, I do not have a picture of this. Typically, the developer unit is not serviced beyond simply dumping the developer powder and refilling it at periodic PM cycles, so there is no real breakdown of how it looks.

    From the theory manual, the following image shows where the regulation plate (blade) (5) is found relative to the mag (developing roller)(4)

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    To access this, you need to open the cover of the dev unit itself. See attached image for where the screws are to allow this. The second picture shown shows the drive side, while the above picture shows the toner add side.

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    Before you do so, I cannot stress enough that you be working on a largish clean table with nothing but the dev unit and your screwdriver. Opening up the dev chamber, if anything gets inside, will only add to your problems.

    Removal of the cover is easy, take out the screws and gently lift the cover on the screw side. It will pivot on the developer roller side and can be removed. Installing it is the reverse.

    As Horse described, use a slip of regular paper, it does not have to be large, a couple inches so you can hold onto it, gently slip it in between the plate and the roller and then slide the paper to either end, whichever is closest to the contaminant. You may have to repeat this several times. To test to see if you dealt with the contaminant, you will need to roll the developer roller a little to observe if the line reappears, or for that matter, moved in the direction you slid the paper towards to move it. See first image for the correct direction this roller should turn. Do not reverse the roller if at all possible.

    Sometimes you may get lucky and can grab onto the contaminant itself. Fuzz for example, and just pull it out.

    This is an exercise in patience. Do not be in a rush.
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    • RRodgers
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      • Jun 2009
      • 1947

      #17
      Just take off the black plastic piece that is just below the mag roller. Take a business card and run it along the bottom gap of the mag roller to clean out anything that might be blocking it. Also make sure that some dev hasn't worked it's way above the mag roller and onto the mylar. Be sure that the bottom of the dev unit is clean as well. Should be fine after that.

      There is the possibility that you have something on the slit glass (but I RARELY see that dirty enough to cause that)
      Color is not 4 times harder... it's 65,000 times harder. They call it "TECH MODE" for a reason. I have manual's and firmware for ya, course... you are going to have to earn it.

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      • ESA

        #18
        Had this exact problem problem yesterday. Had a original toner bottle shipped defeative with clumps of toner in it (cyan). Got into the dev and bingo large white lines. Some how client didn't notice rocks like toner when shaking it? Dev unit is now shot as it is loaded with clumps. You should look at what was asked but being so white if you pull the dev unit you'll see it right away if it is here. Also dev maybe past life. Any error codes of late?

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        • mrwho
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          #19
          Originally posted by ESA
          Some how client didn't notice rocks like toner when shaking it?
          Your customers shake their toner? Wow, you got some clever ones!
          ' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
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          • HORSE
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            • Mar 2008
            • 186

            #20
            I have had my Techs chuck a few Dev units because they put lumpy developer in at a PM, Australian 45C (113F for you US folks) temperature not good for developer during summer.

            I have had once instance where I had a very feint white line in the K, took the laser out and there was a fiber on the laser window. If the same fiber was caught under the potential sensor it would be the usual 'meandering lines' (see attached) and look very sharp. (see attached) which is more common. But because the white line was broader and more unfocused it was be likely that the fiber was closer to the source (laser) because of the 'laser sweep'.

            Simple rule for laser path contamination... Sharper the deletion line the closer to the drum... the more unfocused the deletion the closer to the source.
            Attached Files
            Laughing......

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            • Stirton.M
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              #21
              I was told by a trainer to not shake or tap the toner bottles like we did in the past, the toner is wax based. It can lead to these clumps due to compression.
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              • seniortech
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                • Dec 2007
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                #22
                For starters swap the cyan charger over with another colour (see if fault moves to that colour). try the same with the drum unit...

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                • ESA

                  #23
                  Never heard that before.

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                  • Stirton.M
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by ESA
                    Never heard that before.
                    Standard fair when troubleshooting this machine. It helps eliminate the components. Even the dev unit can be swapped (tape over the toner add hole) to see if the problem moves with or not.
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                    • mrwho
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Stirton.M
                      Standard fair when troubleshooting this machine. It helps eliminate the components. Even the dev unit can be swapped (tape over the toner add hole) to see if the problem moves with or not.
                      Well, that's a new one that never had ocurred to me - definitely going to my book of tricks! Thanks!
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                      • Stirton.M
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by mrwho
                        Well, that's a new one that never had ocurred to me - definitely going to my book of tricks! Thanks!
                        Any time. It is especially useful when dealing with TCR failure codes too. I learned this a while back...it saves time and of course, money, not having to put in a new dev unit and starter when the problem could be harness or PRCB related.
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                        • Coptech
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                          #27
                          I thought dev mag roller also but looks wider than I have seen before. What about something on laser slit glass or in the optics path below dev unit. Maybe a seal is curling up into laser path.

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                          • Stirton.M
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                            #28
                            I would hope the OP looked for things like that already. It had been mentioned in this thread. Typical of laser, the line would have well defined edges in most cases. If a contaminant is in the mag/doctor blade area, it creates white lines very similar to this. It is common throughout any dev unit, regardless of colour or b/w.
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                            • HORSE
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                              #29
                              Like Stirton.M posted earlier swapping the dev unit around by taping the hole will eliminate the dev unit. If problem still exists in that postion in for instance magenta then it would be laser path.
                              Laughing......

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                              • Blockshocker

                                #30
                                Originally posted by costel fasola
                                try in 36 mode process ajustement...initialization on cyan unit all steps
                                Hi,

                                Could you please guide me through this process.

                                Much appreciated

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