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  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

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    • Jul 2007
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    #1

    Zeus Feed Rollers

    I just happened to notice today that 302K906370/302K906350/302K06360 feed rollers for the KM-6500i/8000i are the same exact identical size as Konica Minolta's A00J 5636 00, and A5C1 5622 00.

    Has anybody tried subbing in the KM (Konica Minolta) rollers into the KM (Kyocera Mita)? Even the rubber only transfer to the other hubs. I've got a couple Kyoceras getting 150K and less from the OEM rubber.

    KM-Kyocera Rollers.JPG

    =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=
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    • jmaister
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      • Aug 2010
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      #2
      Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

      bumping this, I'd like to know if there are viable substitution as well.

      How is the cost vs known life span on those rollers?
      Idling colour developers are not healthy developers.

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        • blackcat4866
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          Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

          The KM pickup is $15 more. The feed and sep are $1 more each. ~50% more expensive, but a savings if it will double the yield (and the associated saved labor). =^..^=
          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • Hansoon
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              • Sep 2007
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              #4
              Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

              Cat I used them a few month's ago for two FS4200DN printers to replace roller 302HS94032. Both machines made 60K until now without any problems.

              Hans
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                • GUNit
                  Technician
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 23
                  #5
                  Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                  Originally posted by Hansoon
                  Cat I used them a few month's ago for two FS4200DN printers to replace roller 302HS94032. Both machines made 60K until now without any problems.

                  Hans
                  Been doing this for a while now with great success. the neoprene compound works so much better on the Kyoceras. use them wherever you can from printers to small mfps to the 8000is. on some they just fit straight on on others you can just fit the roller without the core but yes they work great. have mentioned this to the Kyocera rep and they cant be seen to be using the Konica design. the only thing is there are lots of other problems in and around task alfa feed heads these days for instance they cant seem to get the separation tension right and that has an impact on roller life but yes fitting the Konica rollers is the way forward for sure.

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                    • blackcat4866
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                      Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                      Thanks GUNit. I was hoping for that response. =^..^=
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                        • JR2ALTA
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                          • Feb 2010
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                          #7
                          Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                          Ah yes they are the same.

                          My first opinion over 3 years ago was that Kyocera had the superior roller.

                          Konica/Kyo compatible part...Helpful Hint - Copytechnet.com
                          http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/the-parts-room/69076-konica-kyo-compatible-part-helpful-hint.html?highlight=kyocera+konica+jr2alta
                          Part number requests, or any other issues related to parts.



                          But then the Red Rollers came out so I alerted the forum that they were pretty universal and very superior.

                          Konica Orange Feed Tires A00J563600 - Copytechnet.com
                          http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/konica-minolta/97719-konica-orange-feed-tires-a00j563600.html?highlight=kyocera+konica+rollers


                          And an added update. The Red Rubber is the same same as practically all Konica ADF Rollers. Remove rubber, spray some Windex to the hub and she'll slide right on.

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                            • ZOOTECH
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                              Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                              Originally posted by JR2ALTA
                              Remove rubber, spray some Windex to the hub and she'll slide right on.
                              Whoa, waaay too much info.
                              "You can't trust your eyes, if your mind is out of focus" --

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                                • blackcat4866
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                                  Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                  Originally posted by JR2ALTA
                                  ... Remove rubber, spray some Windex to the hub and she'll slide right on.
                                  Or use your roller press (yesterday's project):

                                  Roller Press.JPG

                                  3 1/2" of 1" copper.
                                  Left cap drilled with 8mm hole.
                                  Right cap drilled with 14mm hole, to accommodate the roller hub.
                                  Temporarily assemble bronze bushing to left cap with 8mm x 24mm bolt and nut.
                                  Assemble left cap, copper tube, right cap, then solder 3 joints. Let cool.
                                  Cut away center part of the tube with Dremel cutter wheel, 45mm long by 1/2 the circumference
                                  Remove the bolt, wash away any remaining rosin and clean up rough edges.

                                  Roller Press 2.JPG

                                  8mm shaft, 5 5/8" long. The end at the roller milled down to 6mm, 3/32" long.
                                  It's hard to see, but there is a 4mm wide groove lengthwise, 20mm long, 2mm deep; to accommodate the plastic snap on the KM-8001i rollers.
                                  Handle of your choosing, preferably with a smooth palm surface, pinned to the shaft and epoxied.

                                  Post your picture, or better yet an improvement. I tend to over-build. You know, the ten dancing elephants test.

                                  elephant_facing.jpg

                                  =^..^=
                                  Last edited by blackcat4866; 10-18-2015, 07:10 PM.
                                  If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                  1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                  2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                  3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                  4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                  5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                  blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                    • allan
                                      RTFM!!

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                                      • Apr 2010
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                                      #10
                                      Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                      Then the grey ribbed roller will work on the pick-up as well and they are half the price of the orange ones.
                                      Whatever

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                                        • NeoMatrix
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                                          • Nov 2010
                                          • 3514
                                          #11
                                          Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                          Originally posted by blackcat4866
                                          Or use your roller press (yesterday's project):


                                          Post your picture, or better yet an improvement. I tend to over-build. You know, the ten dancing elephants test.

                                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]30979[/ATTACH]

                                          =^..^=

                                          Okay I'll bite.
                                          I have a feeling I shouldn't ask this.
                                          What is the ten dancing elephants test ?
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                                            • blackcat4866
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                                              Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                              Originally posted by NeoMatrix
                                              Okay I'll bite.
                                              I have a feeling I shouldn't ask this.
                                              What is the ten dancing elephants test ?
                                              For as long as I can remember (OK, quite a bit longer than that) I have always built things to withstand the stresses provided by 10 dancing elephants. I do not recall exactly who defined that particular standard, but everyone I know seems to understand it. As a result, many of the things I build are considerably heavier than need be, but rarely break.

                                              Real dancing elephants are quite rare, so I don't usually get to truly field test my constructions. It's so difficult to assemble 10 of them in one place. =^..^=
                                              Last edited by blackcat4866; 10-18-2015, 11:05 PM.
                                              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                                • NeoMatrix
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                                                  2,500+ Posts
                                                  • Nov 2010
                                                  • 3514
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                                  Originally posted by blackcat4866
                                                  Or use your roller press (yesterday's project):

                                                  [ATTACH=CONFIG]30977[/ATTACH]

                                                  3 1/2" of 1" copper.
                                                  Left cap drilled with 8mm hole.
                                                  Right cap drilled with 14mm hole, to accommodate the roller hub.
                                                  Temporarily assemble bronze bushing to left cap with 8mm x 24mm bolt and nut.
                                                  Assemble left cap, copper tube, right cap, then solder 3 joints. Let cool.
                                                  Cut away center part of the tube with Dremel cutter wheel, 45mm long by 1/2 the circumference
                                                  Remove the bolt, wash away any remaining rosin and clean up rough edges.

                                                  [ATTACH=CONFIG]30978[/ATTACH]



                                                  =^..^=
                                                  I like the above rubber roller press idea. I might have to put one of these together.

                                                  It should also work in reverse and remove the old rubber roller as well.
                                                  Put a metal cylinder inside the main tube with an inner diameter just big enough for the plastic housing, and the push the old rubber roller off the plastic housing. Viola!!!.
                                                  The inner cylinder need not be full length of the main outer tubing, it just needs be a simple thin ring shape of metal soldered into place inside the main tube. Put a blanking plate/metal washer over the top of inner removal cylinder and press the new rubber roller onto the old housing, as per normal.

                                                  With a bit of cheeky modification to the design it might be possible to do it in one operation....
                                                  See attached image.
                                                  RollerPress.jpg

                                                  I just had a light bulb moment. The roller press can be done even simpler and smaller to fit in a work bag. I'll leave it for the time being. It would be interesting to see how many others pick up on the general idea.
                                                  Last edited by NeoMatrix; 10-19-2015, 01:43 AM.
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                                                    • blackcat4866
                                                      Master Of The Obvious

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                                                      Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                                      Not only can you remove rubber from both the old and new rollers for swapping hubs, but if you start the rubber and turn it around in the press, it will install the rubber onto the hub too. Pictures please. =^..^=
                                                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                                        • Hansoon
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                                                          • Sep 2007
                                                          • 3349
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                                          Pure bare ingenuity here guys

                                                          Cool ideas!

                                                          Hans
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