KM-4230 with an NC-6 Network card

[Marcudemus]

Howdy everybody.

First let me set the scene. I've got a Kyocera KM-4230 that I need to set up with printing functionality. We got the 4230 in very good second-hand condition with an NC-6 network card.

A CD also came with the copy machine, however the software and documentation included on it are for the IB-2x series network cards. With the help of a Kyocera dealer downstate (Illinois), I've obtained a user's manual for the NC-6 and finally have the default username (root) and password (blank) for the web and telnet interface to make configuration changes there.

I'm trying to use job accounting. The 4230 allows you to set up to 1,000 4-digit or 7-digit Department Codes that I'm using as client codes so we can bill clients accordingly. I've got it working on the console of the copy machine flawlessly with 902 codes entered. However, after seeing the Job Accounting capabilities of the 4230's Kyocera Extended (KX) drivers found on Kyocera's website, I'd love to be able to use a department/client code when printing from a computer. Through the KX driver's interface, I've entered a handful of client codes and it works, however when I try to import all 902 with the .csv importer, it gives me an error stating "Number of Account IDs in file exceeds limit for this device." I know that's not true because not only do I have 902 codes set in the copy machine, but the user's manuals also tell me that it can store up to 1,000 codes!

So here are my questions:
1.) Does anybody know where I can find any software for the NC-6, particularly whichever version of AdminManager is compatible with the NC-6? The version included on the CD for the IB-2x is version 1.8.0. Kyocera's website has no way for me to search for the NC-6.

2.) Would the drivers listed on Kyocera's website for the 4230 be compatible with any 4230 no matter what network card it has installed?

3.) Does anybody have any ideas about the KX driver not allowing me to import all 902 department/client codes? I know when you import or manually create codes in the drivers, that they're not sent to the copy machine and created there. Therefore I think it's a programming problem. Any programmers out there?

If you've made it this far through this post, I thank you already!

[Jules Winfield]

I think you would be better off if you could find an IB-20 card to replace the NC-6. There is definitely more information out there for IB-2x cards.

[Marcudemus]

I considered it, however I could not find any definitive information either supporting or refuting the compatibility between an IB-2x card and the KM-4230.

[mmechura]

nC-6

Have you tried importing less than the whole 902 codes? Just a thought.

The answer to # 2 is yes, The NC-6 is unique to the 4230/5230 only and all related info is for all 4230/5230's

#3 As I thought the Management codes are held in the machine. In the default mode, you should be able to go into the management section and check off the printer selection. In the print driver under the job tab enable the management console and when printing you should be asked for a code. If you send me your email address i can send you all manuals and bulletins for this machine. They are still posted on Kyocera's dealer web site

[blackcat4866]

I worked on a very similar project on a CS-C4035E which theoretically can have 2000 job account codes. I real life, anything over 1987 crashes the machine. Then all the corrupt job codes that did load must be deleted before you can continue.

I'm not that surprised that it happened. =^..^=

[Marcudemus]

Management Codes

mmechura,
Re: #1: I've tried importing less, about 20 codes or so, and it works just fine. The only other thing I can think of is to create them by hand, one-by-one and see if it complains about it once I reach a certain amount.

Re: #2: Interesting that the NC-6 would be unique to only the 4230/5230's. Does this mean that other network cards (like the IB-2x series) aren't meant to be used with the 4230?

Re: #3: That's pretty much what I did... I've got it asking me for codes whenever I print, but I just haven't yet figured out how to import all 902 codes without the drivers freaking out on me. But either way, Thank you!! Any documentation on the subject would be greatly appreciated!

Have you tried importing less than the whole 902 codes? Just a thought.

The answer to # 2 is yes, The NC-6 is unique to the 4230/5230 only and all related info is for all 4230/5230's

#3 As I thought the Management codes are held in the machine. In the default mode, you should be able to go into the management section and check off the printer selection. In the print driver under the job tab enable the management console and when printing you should be asked for a code. If you send me your email address i can send you all manuals and bulletins for this machine. They are still posted on Kyocera's dealer web site

[Marcudemus]

blackcat,

Yeah, I've run into comparable circumstances :P
I've got all 902 in the copy machine, and it seems to keep them all straight thus far, it's just the KX drivers (downloaded from Kyocera's website) that freak out when I try to import that many.

Importing the department/client codes into the drivers don't actually import them into the machine. A client code imported or manually created in the drivers won't do anything if they're not first added to the copy machine using the console.

I worked on a very similar project on a CS-C4035E which theoretically can have 2000 job account codes. I real life, anything over 1987 crashes the machine. Then all the corrupt job codes that did load must be deleted before you can continue.

I'm not that surprised that it happened. =^..^=

[blackcat4866]

There are a couple of ways to get them into the MFP. You can again do a .csv import using KM-Net for Accounting or do keyboard entry much faster. Or you can write a PreScribe commandand send it via LPR Jar utility to the MFP. Again you've still got to type it into a command file, but the job account commands can be cut & pasted, then specifically edited for each user.

If you try the .csv import you're going to run into the exact same situation as you did with the driver. I personally would try tha latter. If you're interested in writing PreScribe commands I can provide a resource that will help. PM me. =^..^=

[Marcudemus]

Codes, codes, blockin up the scenery and definitely breaking my mind!

blackcat, if you're talking about importing a list of department/client codes into the copy machine itself, I've got no problem with the codes in the machine at all.

The copy machine's got all 902 codes already manually keyed in. Doing that was no problem whatsoever (just time-consuming), no errors were encountered at all.

As for the printer drivers, I'm using the Kyocera Extended (KX) drivers on XP Pro, and they're fully functional and allow all the appropriate and installed options and they all work fine.

The only issue I'm having is that the print drivers throw an error when I try importing all 902 via a properly-formatted CSV file so that they're all displayed in a list with the "Display Account ID List" selection in the printer drivers so that whenever the user tries to print something, a nice list of Client ID's and Client Names are displayed and the user can easily select a client. The error states:

Import Account ID List
"Number of Account ID's in the file exceeds limit for this device."

So, I finally set out to find out just how many ID's it would take, and began my trek of manually entering our client codes until it stopped me, if it did.

Well, it turns out that it did stop me The drivers stopped me at exactly 500 Account ID's when the KM-4230 is capable of handling 1,000 according to the manuals, and is handling 902 just fine thus far. The "Add" button just turns gray and is no longer selectable.

Does anybody know of any service bulletins, perhaps, or any information that might shed some light on this?

Thanks!
~Marcudemus

There are a couple of ways to get them into the MFP. You can again do a .csv import using KM-Net for Accounting or do keyboard entry much faster. Or you can write a PreScribe commandand send it via LPR Jar utility to the MFP. Again you've still got to type it into a command file, but the job account commands can be cut & pasted, then specifically edited for each user.

If you try the .csv import you're going to run into the exact same situation as you did with the driver. I personally would try tha latter. If you're interested in writing PreScribe commands I can provide a resource that will help. PM me. =^..^=

[Marcudemus]

Thank you all!

Sorry for the long wait (tax season can be a killer in an accounting firm), but I want to thank everybody for their help.

I've never been able to get the drivers to be able to accept more than 500 codes, but the powers that be have decided that being prompted for a code every time a print job is sent to the copy machine (and to have that code appear as *'s as you type) is alright for our users.

I'll instead shift my attention to another issue with the maintenance menu! :P

Don't worry moderators, that'll be a new thread.

~Marcudemus