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  • pals80
    technician
    • Jun 2009
    • 18

    [Error Code] KM4050 with 4200 error code

    I have not gone to this copier yet, but the other tech has replaced the laser unit & engine PWB? He said it gives him a black copy then codes out. The copier worked for a day or 2 after replacing each part, but the code is back again. Any thoughts??? We have little experience on this model.
  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

    Site Contributor
    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2007
    • 22743

    #2
    I guess that you already know that the C4200 is a beam detect error, and the manual suggests changing the laser and engine PWB in that order.

    Just to be thorough, I would mark the parts ('original' vs. 'new'), then try every combination. I have not had a reason to pull the laser from a Falcon III. Does it have a laser shutter, and if so, does it move properly? If you make no progress there, it's time to pin out the harness, and to make sure that the laser harness does not get in close proximity with high voltage lines (induced currents). Also re-seat all connectors related to the laser and/or engine PWB. Let us know how it goes. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • JustManuals
      Field Supervisor

      5,000+ Posts
      • Jan 2006
      • 9919

      #3
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      Paul@justmanuals.com

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      • madas
        Trusted Tech

        250+ Posts
        • Aug 2008
        • 313

        #4
        Hi Ya, heres a bulletin for km-6030/8030 on the code C4200. I know its not the same model but may be relevent to your problem.
        hope it helps

        madas
        Attached Files

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        • kyoceradude
          The Great Gazoo

          250+ Posts
          • Aug 2006
          • 442

          #5
          You may want to try and replace the drum and M/C. Arching has caused this problem on falcon II's.
          My mission here on Earth is to help all you Dum-Dums!

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          • vikingmita
            Trusted Tech

            100+ Posts
            • Nov 2008
            • 163

            #6
            4200 is pretty much always drum unit m/c on falcon 2's. kyodude is right

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            • jewen25
              Trusted Tech
              • Mar 2009
              • 193

              #7
              maYBE Is in LSU its in polygon motor try to diagnose
              ERROR HELP ME AND HELP YOU

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              • Mohammad.anwar
                Technician
                • Aug 2010
                • 12

                #8
                First Tell me, is a new or used laser
                Tell me, is whether the code seems to be full screen or will he be in the corner
                That appeared on the entire screen should be replaced by a laser
                That it shows up on the corner, it means that you must clean the laser.
                Dont measure yourself what has been done untill now , but must be compared What You Can Achive with Your Ability

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                • jrs157
                  Technician
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 22

                  #9
                  Got a KM5050, machine was FILTHY, dust,dirt everywhere. tried to phone fix the 4200 code, no good. Arrived and turned machine on= ok.
                  but after scrubbing and runnning @500 prints/faxes and copies, the EC 4200 returned
                  I reseated "Y8" connector, I swapped out LSU but the code returns during pre drive.
                  Simm mode U906 didn't help.
                  guess I will go with the PWB burried behind the network gear monday morning.... Also, I will have to check for flash updates.
                  AN ounce of prevention is worth a pound of obscure
                  spare screws

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                  • jrs157
                    Technician
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 22

                    #10
                    interesting PDF madas. The KM5050 has no ferrite core attached to the wire bundle going to YC8
                    AN ounce of prevention is worth a pound of obscure
                    spare screws

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                    • aodtech
                      Trusted Tech

                      100+ Posts
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 194

                      #11
                      I have NEVER seen an LSU go bad on a Falcon. C-4200 is generally an arced Main Charge. Don't bother cleaning it, just replace it. You can even use a Falcon 1/2 MC. That has always resolved that issue for me. If an LSU is actually bad, you will know it. If you have worked on any 1810 or 2050, you (and the entire city block) will know this.

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                      • blackcat4866
                        Master Of The Obvious

                        Site Contributor
                        10,000+ Posts
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 22743

                        #12
                        Originally posted by aodtech
                        I have NEVER seen an LSU go bad on a Falcon. C-4200 is generally an arced Main Charge. Don't bother cleaning it, just replace it. You can even use a Falcon 1/2 MC. That has always resolved that issue for me. If an LSU is actually bad, you will know it. If you have worked on any 1810 or 2050, you (and the entire city block) will know this.
                        Agreed. I remember a Canon fax L770 series fax at the airport, that sounded like a plane was landing every time they received a fax. Of course, they were quite used to that sound, and didn't even notice until it coded. =^..^=
                        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                        • vikingmita
                          Trusted Tech

                          100+ Posts
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 163

                          #13
                          or old panasonic copiers who lost their balancing weight (yes, they used that, and they were glued on)...jet plane! cool, but not really functional :P

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                          • jrs157
                            Technician
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 22

                            #14
                            Originally posted by aodtech
                            I have NEVER seen an LSU go bad on a Falcon. C-4200 is generally an arced Main Charge. Don't bother cleaning it, just replace it. You can even use a Falcon 1/2 MC. That has always resolved that issue for me. If an LSU is actually bad, you will know it. If you have worked on any 1810 or 2050, you (and the entire city block) will know this.
                            I have a suspicion about the MC now that you mention it. The history of this machine has been "black copies". I noticed the motor assy was removed as a fix for the copy quality issue and the MC assy has been replace a couple times.
                            AN ounce of prevention is worth a pound of obscure
                            spare screws

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                            • tech07
                              Trusted Tech

                              250+ Posts
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 406

                              #15
                              replace main charger...never had a bad laser on this model

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