Type 1027 PCU's discontinued in Canada

[DougD]

Ricoh Canada has discontinued the Type 1027 Photoconductor units.
We have been using them from the Aficio 3025 right through to the MP 2852 series and saved money by buying in bulk.

The B205 and D120 PCU's are more pricey than the 1027 PCU's but going forward we will have to order new PCU's for every 50, 51 & 52 in the field.

Any tips on rebuilding at 60K are appreciated.

Our experience with rebuilding 1027 PCU's was that the dev unit gear shafts were worn so even with new gears a service call for noise resulted in the PCU replacement.

Have they made any changes on the new dev units or do you replace them at every 60K?

[fshead]

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I for one thank the day i decided to stop selling that b/w line.
I rebuilt in 4 years over 50 1027 drums and had gears,augers,etc but hated the damn design.
Plus finding drums would last and not scratch was another problem..
They should have made it like the ricoh color drums.

[DougD]

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I for one thank the day i decided to stop selling that b/w line.
I rebuilt in 4 years over 50 1027 drums and had gears,augers,etc but hated the damn design.
Plus finding drums would last and not scratch was another problem..
They should have made it like the ricoh color drums.

So my question is how many times can you rebuild a MP 2352 photoconductor unit before you have to replace it.

Are they worth the shop time or billable hours to rebuilt or are you further ahead to replace the PCU?

No argument on the colour drum units but the fuser units will turn the argument into a spitting contest.

[slimslob]

Re: Type 1027 PCU's discontinued in Canada

So my question is how many times can you rebuild a MP 2352 photoconductor unit before you have to replace it.

Are they worth the shop time or billable hours to rebuilt or are you further ahead to replace the PCU?

No argument on the colour drum units but the fuser units will turn the argument into a spitting contest.

Development unit is good for 180K to 240K before the bushing start to crud up and cause the gears to strip.

[DougD]

Re: Type 1027 PCU's discontinued in Canada

Development unit is good for 180K to 240K before the bushing start to crud up and cause the gears to strip.

I'll have to wait until the new parts show up so I can have a look but the problem with rebuilding the 1027 PCU's was always the plastic shafts that the dev gears rode on.
After 60K the wear on the shafts contributed to noise from the gears meshing and caused service calls.

[fshead]

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I think both heat and how long a customer runs the unit when the drum is weak and the machine tries to compensate by overtoning..
I had brand new fail after 30k,leaking and had to pull laser unit and vacuum everything.
I would always change developer with drum and drum blade

[sandmanmac]

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I'll have to wait until the new parts show up so I can have a look but the problem with rebuilding the 1027 PCU's was always the plastic shafts that the dev gears rode on.
After 60K the wear on the shafts contributed to noise from the gears meshing and caused service calls.

I have no idea what you may have been paying, but my direct pricing was really high on the 1027 PCU's, so over the years I've bought from GSS, NuTone Densi, and Capstone, all of whom still have them readily available, and at a price that's very reasonable to me, relatively speaking. And I don't buy quantity, so you would probably do even better. Although, I still mostly rebuild the newer style PCU's.
I collected quite a few spares over the years when purchasing low meter 50,51, and 52 series, and held onto them. I rebuild them easily 3 or more times without any issues so long as I use Genuine Oem parts. I generally don't find it necessary to do the PCR or cleaning rollers - just a good scrub and vacuum respectively works fine for me, so it's still a much more cost effective option from my perspective - as a one-man operation at least

[FrohnB]

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When they sent out the message of them being discontinued here in the States, We ordered as many of the Savin 1027's (411019) as we could, and when we got all we could, we went for the Ricoh 1027's (411018) and a few Lanier (411017) before being told they were completely out now. The Savin PCU's lasted the full 60k, The Ricoh brand 12 - 30k CONSISTENTLY!! (and always covers the laser glass with toner)! Then Lanier 40-60k. The Ricoh's which is all we have left have NEVER made it over 30k. What's the deal with that????

Most of the machine's we have that use those PCDU's, are getting up to or are way past Retirement time, and we put the word out to our sales team to start Upgrading our customers who have those machines. We've got a bunch of the Savin 8025's out there that are past 1 million clicks , and are really easy to service, with the 1027's cutting about 45 minutes off those specific calls. Same with the **52 and **53 series. Not looking forward to having to order a Shit-ton of parts and having to rebuild these units, But What Do You Do.

[Imabrokedude]

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Hi, i had to rebuild one just the other day. Their not to bad the 1027 i did had a the charge roller they use on the mp 5000. I think pn- AD02-7012. Luckily i had one. It had the same blade and cleaning roller though.
Ive never seen the 1027 lock up the agitator or mag roller gears like the actual pcu the machine uses. I keep at least 2 sets with me.
You can the pcu the machine has apart completely and clean out the the augers in the development case and rebuild the top half quiye a few times. Anyways hope that helps.
Oh i thought about how that 1027 pcu has problems with the toner hopper and the inlet on the pcu mating up and causes toner to dust onto laser window and erase lamps...well it can make a real mess. Anyone know of a fix for that. I never really thought about it. Just pulled out that ole 3m and vacuumed it up.

[Codex]

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We have a lot of machines in the field that have this units, from Aficio 1022 to MP3353...i'm wondering if they discontinue it in Europe.
I have very bad experience to rebuild a type 1027 PCU unit, we tried a few years ago, but because of many problems (dusting, broken gears, noise, bad copy quality), we return to buy the PCU Units.

[slimslob]

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Ricoh no longer manufactures them. Your best bet is to try a quality after market source such as NA Trading.

[sandmanmac]

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Oh i thought about how that 1027 pcu has problems with the toner hopper and the inlet on the pcu mating up and causes toner to dust onto laser window and erase lamps...well it can make a real mess. Anyone know of a fix for that. I never really thought about it. Just pulled out that ole 3m and vacuumed it up.

The only dusting problems I've ever experienced with these machines is from a failing toner hopper unit.
That's the source of all the toner in the toner tray, on the bottle, PCU, and shield glass.
I used to strip them down and service them, and replace the sliders, but at a cost of about $30 for the whole hopper assy, it's just to much trouble

[COPIERMAN]

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look to china quite a few company make units.

[GIUBOSS]

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With my experience on the Pcu 1027 I can tell you that today after 15 years and more reconditioned always replacing the developer type 28 for all and do not put everything to not overload the gears (if we talk about the 1027 small gears). Then I replace all the gaskets inside the chassis, then initialize without the toner hopper.