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  • jrob416
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    [Misc] Ricoh MP C 4504

    I have a MP C 4504 that has recently lost its mind. The church it's in had us move machine to allow painters to work behind it. Machine was powered down and moved to middle of room and then powered on. At this point my adventure began. Machine took considerably longer than normal to come ready. No code was given. When machine was ready, print jobs would come out 2 pages at a time. (10 page document would come out in 5 sets of 2 pages). If a door were opened, the screen would display the red outlined box with a flickering image of machine compressed into 1/4" line of pixels. I have formatted HDD, updated firmware, cleaned and re-seated RAM and connectors on main board, control board and user interface. Now when a door is opened, machine stops, but gives no indication on display that anything is wrong. The copier communicates readily with computers on network and scanning is no issue. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
  • fshead
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    #2
    Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

    stupid question but did you ck the new outlet for ground and proper voltage.
    I can see a church cutting corners by paying a hobbyist to wire an outlet.
    If you move it back to original location anything different?
    is it on a good surge protector?

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    • jrob416
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      #3
      Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

      The machine stayed plugged to same receptacle and surge protector. Tried without protector, no joy.

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      • slimslob
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        #4
        Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

        Originally posted by jrob416
        The machine stayed plugged to same receptacle and surge protector. Tried without protector, no joy.
        Did you add an extension cord?

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        • guitar9199
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          #5
          Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

          Originally posted by fshead
          stupid question but did you ck the new outlet for ground and proper voltage.
          I can see a church cutting corners by paying a hobbyist to wire an outlet.
          If you move it back to original location anything different?
          is it on a good surge protector?

          +1 on this.

          I had an issue with a Sharp "Locking Up" where the customer would have to reboot the device, so after troubleshooting we thought the main controller was shot. Swapped it for a different Sharp copier as a loaner, and within 2 days it started doing the exact same thing!!

          Brought a line tester, and the AC voltage would fluctuate to as high as 120 VAC, but would drop down as low as 113 VAC. Also saw a 6-8% drop in current under a 15 amp load, and 5% under 20 amp.

          Surge protectors are great to help protect against spikes...but they don't do diddly-squat for "Sags".

          Good luck.

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          • jrob416
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            #6
            Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

            Originally posted by slimslob
            Did you add an extension cord?
            Actually, removed an extension chord

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            • jrob416
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              #7
              Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

              Originally posted by guitar9199
              +1 on this.

              I had an issue with a Sharp "Locking Up" where the customer would have to reboot the device, so after troubleshooting we thought the main controller was shot. Swapped it for a different Sharp copier as a loaner, and within 2 days it started doing the exact same thing!!

              Brought a line tester, and the AC voltage would fluctuate to as high as 120 VAC, but would drop down as low as 113 VAC. Also saw a 6-8% drop in current under a 15 amp load, and 5% under 20 amp.

              Surge protectors are great to help protect against spikes...but they don't do diddly-squat for "Sags".

              Good luck.

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              • DRichard
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                #8
                Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

                You moved the machine to allow painters to work...has the church had any other work done during this time? In particular, was any electrical work done? I am going along with the previously suggested "bad outlet" theory here.
                "Enjoy every sandwich."

                -- Warren Zevon

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                • jrob416
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                  #9
                  Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

                  Originally posted by DRichard
                  You moved the machine to allow painters to work...has the church had any other work done during this time? In particular, was any electrical work done? I am going along with the previously suggested "bad outlet" theory here.
                  No sir. No other work being done.

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                  • anothertech
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                    Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

                    Originally posted by jrob416
                    No sir. No other work being done.
                    What is the volage hot to neutral?, and how many volts from neutral to ground? Is your surge suppressor a line monitor?

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                    • keithxxiii
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                      Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

                      The MFP must be haunted.

                      May i suggest doing a backup of the NVRAM, then do a clear, test if the problem is still there. Another suggestion if you have a spare SOP, try swapping them.
                      Aye! Cut the crap

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                      • jrob416
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                        #12
                        Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

                        Originally posted by keithxxiii
                        The MFP must be haunted.

                        May i suggest doing a backup of the NVRAM, then do a clear, test if the problem is still there. Another suggestion if you have a spare SOP, try swapping them.
                        Tried the NVRAM back-up, restore remedy. No change. Swapped controller board. No good. Looking at BCU now. Thoughts?

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                        • fshead
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                          Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

                          Originally posted by anothertech
                          What is the volage hot to neutral?, and how many volts from neutral to ground? Is your surge suppressor a line monitor?
                          regarding how many volts from neutral to ground?
                          arent they the same..0 volts?
                          I MEAN THE NEUTRAL and ground both connect to the same ground bar in sub panel???

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                          • sturmtrooper
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                            #14
                            Re: Ricoh MP C 4504

                            Originally posted by fshead
                            regarding how many volts from neutral to ground?
                            arent they the same..0 volts?
                            I MEAN THE NEUTRAL and ground both connect to the same ground bar in sub panel???
                            If there is a load on the circuit you should see 1-2v between neutral and ground.

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                            • fshead
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                              Originally posted by sturmtrooper
                              If there is a load on the circuit you should see 1-2v between neutral and ground.

                              ok..I ve never had to test the voltage between neutral and ground and especially with a load on...
                              I guess that can left to the newbies to do when they are focused on texting with their phone at the same time as testing....
                              That will wake them up..
                              I Still remember the time i have a bad high voltage power pack and went to ck it and got hit wth 6,000 volts..
                              Low amperage but it left a big impression...

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