New MP 301 drums

[Dark Helmet]

Howdy folks

Has any body seen the new MP 301 drums? Im still using up old stock but apparently they "fixed" it.
There is a TSB they have improved the sealing so the gears don't wear down and grind.

D127 2212

rfg085001.pdf

[anothertech]

Re: New MP 301 drums

We have not seen the new ones yet, there may be a lot of the old stock to go through. I'm eagerly waiting for the new style to come through.

[slimslob]

Re: New MP 301 drums

Toke them long enough. They changed the development case for the AFICIO 3025/3030/MP 2510/MP 3010 for the same problem back in March of 2007.

[Gift]

Re: New MP 301 drums

Toke them long enough. They changed the development case for the AFICIO 3025/3030/MP 2510/MP 3010 for the same problem back in March of 2007.

Indeed, perhaps this is just a late april joke - we managed to swap most MP301 by now

[TonerMunkeh]

Re: New MP 301 drums

I've still got 800-ish about, I'll keep you posted if I am fitting them as often.

[Dark Helmet]

Re: New MP 301 drums

We have not seen the new ones yet, there may be a lot of the old stock to go through. I'm eagerly waiting for the new style to come through.

In Canada we can still order the old part number.

[Gift]

Re: New MP 301 drums

I've still got 800-ish about, I'll keep you posted if I am fitting them as often.

Urgh... my condolences^^

[rthonpm]

Re: New MP 301 drums

Toke them long enough. They changed the development case for the AFICIO 3025/3030/MP 2510/MP 3010 for the same problem back in March of 2007.

Lest we also forget the great toner change of the MP 4000/5000. The number of times customers would pull out a bottle of the old stuff and contaminate everything in the dev unit.

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[JayPaul]

Re: New MP 301 drums

I've already had about 3 or 4 of the 2212 version come in recently and already had to go out and fit 3 of them... one of the 2110 versions had only done 7k before giving the machine sc500 from motor overload where it couldn't turn at all. 7k!!
For me it has never just been about gears seizing up, sometimes the gears all turn fine but it leaves a grey background after about 15k or starts gettin lines after 18k... its at the point where to me they only have a 20k life and anything beyond that is extraordinary.
Really REALLY hope they have fixed these as for some reason we still have so many in the field. My company still seems to think they are a recent model and we still sell them, not even new ones either... refurbished ones. Unfortunately engineers are the only people who can see anything long term (profit/loss)

[slimslob]

Re: New MP 301 drums

I've already had about 3 or 4 of the 2212 version come in recently and already had to go out and fit 3 of them... one of the 2110 versions had only done 7k before giving the machine sc500 from motor overload where it couldn't turn at all. 7k!!
For me it has never just been about gears seizing up, sometimes the gears all turn fine but it leaves a grey background after about 15k or starts gettin lines after 18k... its at the point where to me they only have a 20k life and anything beyond that is extraordinary.
Really REALLY hope they have fixed these as for some reason we still have so many in the field. My company still seems to think they are a recent model and we still sell them, not even new ones either... refurbished ones. Unfortunately engineers are the only people who can see anything long term (profit/loss)

One thing that I have encountered when a machine throws an SC500 is that the developer is piled up at the back end of the mixer coil of the unit. The gears would be fine with little or no developer around the gears. What I found was the opening between the two coils at that end was clogged. After clearing the with a spring hook I was able to level the developer off in the coils and get it to work.

[sandmanmac]

Re: New MP 301 drums

I've personally never replaced an MP301 drum with the type 301 drum, I've always just snapped the locator pin off the the machine and popped in a Type 1515 unit.
Cost has been the primary factor as the type 301 units are about 70% more expensive in my case, but I also never had an issue until about the last 1-2 years.
There seems to have been a manufacturing change in those units as well that's made them less durable. One indicator is they now have a black handle rather than a green one.
They've been failing WAY too soon as well (at least on the MP301's). Similar to JayPaul, they often seize up between 10-20K.
I've recently been installing a generic version of the type 1515 units to see how the performance is, and figuring that they almost can't be any worse at this point.

It's still very early in that game, but I've not had any known premature failures yet.

Just curious on thoughts about the Type 1515 units, and any insight on possible manufacturing changes that have caused them to be less reliable too?

[luca72]

Re: New MP 301 drums

One thing that I have encountered when a machine throws an SC500 is that the developer is piled up at the back end of the mixer coil of the unit. The gears would be fine with little or no developer around the gears. What I found was the opening between the two coils at that end was clogged. After clearing the with a spring hook I was able to level the developer off in the coils and get it to work.

long ago, i heard, i don't remember which model, maybe the mp2000 (?) that works better with less developer, i never tried, but i have to say that some units i saw lose a lot of blood..lol..print well anyway

[rthonpm]

Re: New MP 301 drums

Just curious on thoughts about the Type 1515 units, and any insight on possible manufacturing changes that have caused them to be less reliable too?

Has Ricoh decided to go the refurbished route on these like they did with the 1027 PCU?



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[Gift]

Re: New MP 301 drums

I've personally never replaced an MP301 drum with the type 301 drum, I've always just snapped the locator pin off the the machine and popped in a Type 1515 unit.
Cost has been the primary factor as the type 301 units are about 70% more expensive in my case, but I also never had an issue until about the last 1-2 years.
There seems to have been a manufacturing change in those units as well that's made them less durable. One indicator is they now have a black handle rather than a green one.
They've been failing WAY too soon as well (at least on the MP301's). Similar to JayPaul, they often seize up between 10-20K.
I've recently been installing a generic version of the type 1515 units to see how the performance is, and figuring that they almost can't be any worse at this point.

It's still very early in that game, but I've not had any known premature failures yet.

Just curious on thoughts about the Type 1515 units, and any insight on possible manufacturing changes that have caused them to be less reliable too?

We startet using the Type1515 units when the MP301 started but had way too much issues right from the start - kind of like the problems you can get with the correct units supposed for that model but with no chance for warranty claims.

[Dark Helmet]

Re: New MP 301 drums

We startet using the Type1515 units when the MP301 started but had way too much issues right from the start - kind of like the problems you can get with the correct units supposed for that model but with no chance for warranty claims.

Our guys started trying that as well and had similar failures in a short time span on some machines. It's hit and miss. We have machines that the drums make 40k, others make less than 10k. Didn't matter if it was a 1515 or a 301 drum.

Ricoh here stopped answering our warranty claims on it. I guess there thought was there is no issue if they don't acknowledge it.