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  • UNICORNico
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    Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

    The device is "MP C2004" (without PS3) which has been installed for more than 7 years, was installed new, and was replaced with a new "IM C2010".
    Obviously we want to recycle it to install it in a client with a rental service, since the client who had it did not require much work on the device, and it has less than 80K.


    The question is that acquiring the new CTL is beyond the current budget, and even more so at the time we are in, and we have a used machine distributor that can provide us with the "Controller Board" of an "MP C2004ex".


    Does anyone know if this substitution is possible?
    "ALL WILL BE WELL" The battle cry that most inspires me to follow, from the DC's Comic character that I admire the most. And I feel satisfied with being better every day, and with using Gnu-Linux as my usual Operating System.Apologies for my English, it's not my mother tongue and I'm helping the translator.
    Tags: c2004ex, client, ctl, device, installed
    • slimslob
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      Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

      Originally posted by UNICORNico
      The device is "MP C2004" (without PS3) which has been installed for more than 7 years, was installed new, and was replaced with a new "IM C2010".
      Obviously we want to recycle it to install it in a client with a rental service, since the client who had it did not require much work on the device, and it has less than 80K.


      The question is that acquiring the new CTL is beyond the current budget, and even more so at the time we are in, and we have a used machine distributor that can provide us with the "Controller Board" of an "MP C2004ex".


      Does anyone know if this substitution is possible?
      Can that "used machine distributor" provide you with a complete "parts machine?" The Controller might not be the only board you will need. If you have the EX parts catalog, check it to see.

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        • UNICORNico
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          Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

          Originally posted by slimslob
          Can that "used machine distributor" provide you with a complete "parts machine?" The Controller might not be the only board you will need. If you have the EX parts catalog, check it to see.
          I have located the parts, but I'm curious if anyone tries to change the CTL alone. Obviously it will be necessary to replace BICU as well.


          But I'm curious to know if anyone did the experiment of changing only the CTL of the MPC2004ex, or some of the 04 series.
          "ALL WILL BE WELL" The battle cry that most inspires me to follow, from the DC's Comic character that I admire the most. And I feel satisfied with being better every day, and with using Gnu-Linux as my usual Operating System.Apologies for my English, it's not my mother tongue and I'm helping the translator.

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            • DRichard
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              Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

              Originally posted by UNICORNico
              The device is "MP C2004" (without PS3) which has been installed for more than 7 years, was installed new, and was replaced with a new "IM C2010".
              Obviously we want to recycle it to install it in a client with a rental service, since the client who had it did not require much work on the device, and it has less than 80K.


              The question is that acquiring the new CTL is beyond the current budget, and even more so at the time we are in, and we have a used machine distributor that can provide us with the "Controller Board" of an "MP C2004ex".


              Does anyone know if this substitution is possible?
              Quick and simple answer is "No".
              ...although, with enough time, expertise and MONEY, anything is possible.
              Last edited by DRichard; 12-20-2023, 08:14 PM.
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                • Oze
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                  • Jul 2008
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                  Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                  I have once mistakenly fitted an EX controller to a standard machine it DOES throw a board mismatch error.

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                    • Gift
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                      Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                      Yeah I also think the chance is close to zero. Better get a PS option if you need PS for the new customer - it's not really pricey if you get your hands on a properly uninstalled M19 card.

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                        • copier tech
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                          Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                          Originally posted by UNICORNico
                          The device is "MP C2004" (without PS3) which has been installed for more than 7 years, was installed new, and was replaced with a new "IM C2010".
                          Obviously we want to recycle it to install it in a client with a rental service, since the client who had it did not require much work on the device, and it has less than 80K.


                          The question is that acquiring the new CTL is beyond the current budget, and even more so at the time we are in, and we have a used machine distributor that can provide us with the "Controller Board" of an "MP C2004ex".


                          Does anyone know if this substitution is possible?
                          This is possible, but you would need to swap multiple parts & boards that have a different part numbers, if you have 2 devices side by side & the time I don't see why not but for very little gain.


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                            • UNICORNico
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                              Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                              Originally posted by Gift
                              Yeah I also think the chance is close to zero. Better get a PS option if you need PS for the new customer - it's not really pricey if you get your hands on a properly uninstalled M19 card.
                              It's not for that reason.
                              The CTL shows a 'SC 672-00' and honestly for the cost of a new CTL, we have managed the sale of a brand new 'IM C2010' machine.


                              Sorry if I didn't express myself correctly.


                              Despite this, we are trying to "recycle" the 'MP C2004' to be able to amortize it a little more, as mentioned above, the client used it very little for the 7 years of "use", although they had it more as a scanner, instead of printer.
                              "ALL WILL BE WELL" The battle cry that most inspires me to follow, from the DC's Comic character that I admire the most. And I feel satisfied with being better every day, and with using Gnu-Linux as my usual Operating System.Apologies for my English, it's not my mother tongue and I'm helping the translator.

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                                • luca72
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                                  #9
                                  Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                                  Originally posted by UNICORNico
                                  The device is "MP C2004" (without PS3) which has been installed for more than 7 years, was installed new, and was replaced with a new "IM C2010".
                                  Obviously we want to recycle it to install it in a client with a rental service, since the client who had it did not require much work on the device, and it has less than 80K.


                                  The question is that acquiring the new CTL is beyond the current budget, and even more so at the time we are in, and we have a used machine distributor that can provide us with the "Controller Board" of an "MP C2004ex".


                                  Does anyone know if this substitution is possible?
                                  in my opinion it can work, but you also have to load the other "ex" firmware for the other cards, and after make the seriar number sp procedure as always, it's worth a try.
                                  p.s. Two years ago I put the operating panel of an mp4002 on an mpc 2003 which was broken , obviously I loaded the panel firmware for the mpc2003

                                  in my opinion they always basically use the same controller on multiple models, with different software and some differences in CPU and RAM, and in the position of the USB ports or other

                                  worth a try....let us know!
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                                    • Gift
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                                      Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                                      Ah I understand - guess the only way to fix this is finding a compatible donator or a 2nd hand deal.

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                                        • UNICORNico
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                                          Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                                          Originally posted by Gift
                                          Ah I understand - guess the only way to fix this is finding a compatible donator or a 2nd hand deal.
                                          My intention is to experiment.



                                          Originally posted by luca72
                                          in my opinion it can work, but you also have to load the other "ex" firmware for the other cards, and after make the seriar number sp procedure as always, it's worth a try.
                                          p.s. Two years ago I put the operating panel of an mp4002 on an mpc 2003 which was broken , obviously I loaded the panel firmware for the mpc2003

                                          in my opinion they always basically use the same controller on multiple models, with different software and some differences in CPU and RAM, and in the position of the USB ports or other

                                          worth a try....let us know!


                                          Regarding the situation, I fear that it will be postponed, the "recycled" devices for testing (according to confirmation from the supplier), are set aside precisely for this same reason, the "SC-672"


                                          xD ha ha ha xD
                                          "ALL WILL BE WELL" The battle cry that most inspires me to follow, from the DC's Comic character that I admire the most. And I feel satisfied with being better every day, and with using Gnu-Linux as my usual Operating System.Apologies for my English, it's not my mother tongue and I'm helping the translator.

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                                            • gmulvaney
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                                              Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                                              Originally posted by UNICORNico
                                              It's not for that reason.
                                              The CTL shows a 'SC 672-00' and honestly for the cost of a new CTL, we have managed the sale of a brand new 'IM C2010' machine.


                                              Sorry if I didn't express myself correctly.


                                              Despite this, we are trying to "recycle" the 'MP C2004' to be able to amortize it a little more, as mentioned above, the client used it very little for the 7 years of "use", although they had it more as a scanner, instead of printer.
                                              Just tried the CTL swap on a MPC3004 and its EX variant and it was a no-go. Spent way too much time replacing the SOP panel and the USB following the bulletin. How much is a CTL from Hytec with a core swap?

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                                                • Gift
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                                                  Re: Convert "MPC2004" to "MP C2004ex" by changing the CTL. Is it possible?

                                                  PCB prices are insane. It's funny how most companies does their greenwashing campaigns and talk about sustainability but the truth is they aren't interested at all in keeping their products alive. Customer came with an SPC361SF this week and it had a bad operation panel control board - my

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