Ricoh Aficio 2051

[PCFSS&S]

Guys, I have a customer that is running a little over 12k per month, I am about to lease or sell them a Ricoh 2051. They currently have a 40 copy per minute Canon machine (IR 400 with print and scan). I picked the Ricoh because of its inexpensive drum ($159.00) and CPM, compared to the canon 5020 or 5000 with a drum cost at $2,400.Valley supplies has them cheaper about $1,600 still expensive.

Should I be concerned about anything as far as performance on the Ricoh 2051?

[schooltech]

The are good machines. The 2051 can do 12k standing on its head. You don't have to use the B0709510 drum, which is more expensive. The A2959510 drum will work fine, and it's cheaper. The B070 drum is designed to go double the life, so it's a toss-up. I can get the A295 drums to go over their expected life, so I just buy those instead, and I feel I get a better cost-per-copy out of them.

The do have a fuser that will go around 300k, and the PM kit is good in that it gives you everything you need to rebuild it, including bearings.

When you remove the fuser, be careful and remove all of the connectors. There is a small photointerrupter below the 2 plugs for the fuser web that needs to be unplugged before you take the fuser out.

The also have the million mile tires, which seem to do ok. If you remove and clean the feed stations each PM, and clean the reg. sensor and relay sensor areas, they will run good. Also, keep doc feed rollers and stuff on-hand. You may have a HDD go out, but it's an easy fix. And, just mainly wear-and-tear items to look out for, like the front paper gate in the top drawer breaking from abuse.

I've had good luck with these machines over the years with hardly any problems.

[Fearless V K]

These machines have a good strong engine that has been around the block, and has proven itself to be a workhorse that likes to run.

[Kopyrtek]

Have to agree with the previous posters...it is a work horse if kept up properly.Do pm's as recomended and you will come out pretty good.

[pspahr]

Damn fine machine, can't say enough good about them.

But, just to make a case, the Canons have the amorphous silicate drums, essentially a "glass" drum.

Yah, they are expensive but they do tend to go 800k to 1M, so they cost is justified.

[mowpro]

we do pms at 500k-600k and if you use a2469510 drums you can do a drum every other pm charge wire and grid,web 300k

[schooltech]

The only A-Si drums I had experience with were on the Kyoceras. They seemed to last, although they weren't designed for the distance the Canon's run, but they sometimes had a tendency to get damaged if the charge assembly started to arc or something-they'd have pits dug into them. I thought they did make a good copy.

Yeah, I guess the trade-off is relative for the life of the drum vs. the cost, but I'd have to clean up 'brick-like debris off of the floor' if I damaged a thousand dollar drum.

I have a flood of 1075 Ricoh's I work on, and I think they are one of the best boxes Ricoh has ever put out.

PCFSS&S, feel safe in providing on of these to your customer. Of course, things break, but not too often on these boxes. I hope your particular box doesn't make me a liar.

[PCFSS&S]

The only A-Si drums I had experience with were on the Kyoceras. They seemed to last, although they weren't designed for the distance the Canon's run, but they sometimes had a tendency to get damaged if the charge assembly started to arc or something-they'd have pits dug into them. I thought they did make a good copy.

Yeah, I guess the trade-off is relative for the life of the drum vs. the cost, but I'd have to clean up 'brick-like debris off of the floor' if I damaged a thousand dollar drum.

I have a flood of 1075 Ricoh's I work on, and I think they are one of the best boxes Ricoh has ever put out.

PCFSS&S, feel safe in providing on of these to your customer. Of course, things break, but not too often on these boxes. I hope your particular box doesn't make me a liar.

Thanks for all the good info, I'm sold on the Ricoh, sure it won't make a liar out of you. But PSPAHR I also have a canon IR5000 out there, are you telling me the drum being assentially a glass drum there would have to be an embedded scratch to affect copy quality everthing else can be wiped off (like glass)? I did clean the drum, cleaning blade, and drum dust collector blade before i resold the machine and have to admit the copies looked MUCH better than the drum did and still do, drum had 400k on it.