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  • bigdaddyooo
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    DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

    Have an mxm365 with the DSPF. On single-sided copies through the feeder registration is dead on. When doing 2 to 2 copying, side 1 is way off. There is a huge trail edge void. Side 2 is dead on. Dspf has just been rebuilt and cleaned. Any ideas? It was disassembled and blown out so no paper clips or staples.20200401_093236.jpg20200401_093937.jpg
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  • blackcat4866
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    Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

    Does it have a simulation 50-6? If it were me I think I'd take a little peek in the manual. Who knows? There might be something useful there. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • bigdaddyooo
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      #3
      Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

      Of course it does and I have "peeked" in it. Ty Mr. Helper for the suggestion. Now it is intermittent.
      Are you the police? "No ma'am, were musicians"

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      • blackcat4866
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        Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

        So, side #2 remains registered properly while side #1 intermittently does not register properly?

        Sorry I don't have any ideas about that. =^..^=
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • bigdaddyooo
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          #5
          Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

          Yes sir, that's correct. Very strange. Side 2 is ALWAYS dead on. Now side 1 is intermittent whereas earlier it was everytime. Clutch maybe?
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          • blackcat4866
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            Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

            This is a single pass document feeder. The original is being scanned simultaneously on both sides at the same time. So how can the front of the page be late, while the back of that same page is on time? The original would have to be in two places at the same time. I don't have any kind of explanation for that. =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • bigdaddyooo
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              Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

              Thank you, EXACTLY my thought. I did not do multiple copies so i do not know if it was a copier registration issue. Doing 3 each time now to see if all 3 are side 1 reg off
              Are you the police? "No ma'am, were musicians"

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              • blackcat4866
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                Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                Now COPY and PRINT registration is done one side at a time, so yes, you can have a clutch affecting PRINT image registration. =^..^=
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                • dsmith46
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                  #9
                  Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                  Just do a Sim 50-28 for the SPF. This should take care of it. If it doesn't, I would be looking at a CID.

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                  • mttech
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                    #10
                    Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                    You can make a 2 to 2 using the glass to help see if it is a DSPF or engine problem.

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                    • bigdaddyooo
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                      Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                      Originally posted by dsmith46
                      Just do a Sim 50-28 for the SPF. This should take care of it. If it doesn't, I would be looking at a CID.

                      A 50-28 was the 1st thing I did. If you read the entire thread..1-1 is dead and on 2-2, 1st side reg is way off BUT side 2 is always dead on.
                      Why on earth would I look at the CIS? Side 1 is done via the scan lamp unit on the slit glass
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                      • bigdaddyooo
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                        Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                        Originally posted by mttech
                        You can make a 2 to 2 using the glass to help see if it is a DSPF or engine problem.

                        So true BUT you know how that goes. Since I posted, the machine strangely works just as it should. Side 1 is now dead on and I can NOT make it do what it was before. When doing 2-2 copying I am making 3 copies but like I said, it will not do what it first was. FRUSTRATING
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                        • Copi
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                          #13
                          Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                          I believe that these feeders have had problems with staples falling down into them and causing strange registration problems. I think they have added some mylar shields to alleviate this problem. You can remove some covers and remove the feeder and shake out the debris but it sounds like it has already (fixed) itself just from opening and closing the feeder.

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                          • bigdaddyooo
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                            Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                            Originally posted by Copi
                            I believe that these feeders have had problems with staples falling down into them and causing strange registration problems. I think they have added some mylar shields to alleviate this problem. You can remove some covers and remove the feeder and shake out the debris but it sounds like it has already (fixed) itself just from opening and closing the feeder.
                            Again if you read the entire post, I put that that was done before I even started this thread. Smh
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                            • repn1999
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                              #15
                              Re: DSPF 2 to 2 lead edge is way off side 1 only

                              so this only happens on side 1. can you reproduce the same random position issue by scanning from platten glass, since side 1 is read from ccd. if so then that would rule out dspf mechanical and settings and leave you with scanner drive and such. i have seen one or 2 old dragon machines with the lamp unit sticking randomly causing weird issues and fixed it by clearing the sire scanner rails and the little wheels on the scanner unit that ride on the rails and then lubing with turbine oil. i have also seen a paperclip or staple on the dspf control board cause strange issues. might also want to check wall voltage and power to the scanner motor. I have seen scanners on small machines like arm257 and mxm314 do something similar along with making a strange whining noise when scanning. when i checked voltage to the motor 24v showed only 19v. changing the dc power supply fixed it. since i dont know what machine this is on its hard to give a better answer.

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