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  • axyun
    Service Manager

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    • Aug 2007
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    #1

    Customer wants $ back on AR-208 with optiosns

    Customer has small office and is doing relatively low volume . Wanted machine to be multi-functional including faxing, copying, network printing and scanning. Had low budget ,not looking for $4000-$8000 machine.

    The IT guy called me first. He wants to be able to scan to email, to network etc. I am totally lost when it comes to the connectivity and IT issues. I delivered a Sharp FO-2080 but IT guy called and said not adequate as could not scan to network, scan to email.
    That was my mistake. I then offered a Sharp AR-208D with network and fax options as well as the second cassette. I gave the price and model # and customer got back to me after several days which gave customer and IT guy time to compare pricing and features. Customer ordered machine. I purchased it with all options mentioned and delivered and installed it and IT guy was to do the connectivity as far as software etc.

    I got a call from IT guy on Friday the 2nd of April. The machine was delivered and set up on March 5. He says machine has same issues as FO-2080 and can't scan to email, to network etc. I looked on a spec sheet and reading that it does what he wants. He is familiar with setting up a lot of HP machines and says the HP has multi-functional that he can set up to do what he wants as far as network scanning etc. and that they are cheaper.

    I no nothing about the IT set-up but mention that he needs to access the Button Manager in order to set up properly and do the various network scanning that his customer , an attorney, needs to do. Up to this time he has not heard of Button Manager and I said it should be in booklet and probably on one of the CDs. I told him that he just hasn't had the experience setting up with the Button Manager program and that is likely the issue. He was obviously upset and said he would look thru the materials and we would talk.

    I had purchased the equipment thru a distributor who was closing early Friday and would be closed for Jewish Holidays on Monday + Tuesday (yesterday + today) and that I would not be able to get an IT gut from their company to talk to him until Wednesday.
    Maybe a half later or less I got a call from the attorney. He says there are too many issues and he wants to return the machine and get refund. He says that it has been printing light also and he has to set it darker. I told him I that when I set up machine it looked fine but that I can set up the range he wants and that he should have called me sooner as machine was there from March 5. We got into it and conversation became more heated. I told him the machine would be able to do what he wanted but that his IT guy wasn't familiar with this particular setup and was more comfortable with the HP setup. I reminded him that I gave him all the information with price prior to order so that I would not order the machine for nothing. I am by myself and don't have these machines in stock and it would be an unfair and unreasonable request to expect me to take machine back. I still have the FO-2080.
    I told him he had the time to research and price before ordering. I had delivered the FO-2080 on Jan 21 and had gotten the order for the AR-208D week of Feb 15. I told him if necessary I could get him an IT guy to talk with his IT or have someone else set up if needed. He had the machine sine March5 and the IT guy did not come to setup until 4/2 so I though I could accommodate him if needed in a reasonable time frame.

    I believe what a lot of this boils down to is price. He says HP is selling a cheaper version of multi-functional with his requirements. He had ample to decide when I gave him info and he was using the FO-2080 . I don't look around for the cheapest machines to sell a customer . As we know many of them are poor quality. I try to sell something I can give the customer good service on. I order parts direct from Sharp and get them 2nd day or overnight if emergency. I don't have to depend on another dealer or distributor as a third party and that enables me to give my customer better service.

    I have seen on many HP machines that many parts are not available or are sold as whole assemblies.
    I recently did a call where the customer broke something on the document feed-in unit which would have cost a few dollars on a Sharp machine but the whole document feeder had to be purchased and the customer spent about $150 for feeder.

    Please give me some feedback on this as I would like to get your input regarding Button Manager setup , scanning and network capability and overall opinion on this entire situation. Frank
  • OMD-227

    #2
    This is clearly not a customer that you want to deal with..... either now or in the future. Been there... done that!

    There is nothing wrong with the AR208. It does everything they want. Full stop.

    My opinion of some IT guys that straight away start mentioning HP as soon as they cant figure something out in less than 2 minutes, is they are only half an IT person. HP's set themselves up out of the box, everyone knows that. The HP will cost that client a sh*tload more to operate on a day-to-day basis than your Sharp, or any other high-end brand for that matter.
    So if this client's 'awesome' IT person favours a HP product over a better manufactured, cheaper to run, easier to service, faster to service, longer lifespan and superior machine, then dont even start worrying about it...... best you cut ties right now. I guarantee you will sell that machine anyway, to a customer who fully appreciates YOUR service and the machines abilities.

    I only service color & high end/production machines, but while onsite at many places, I get the.... 'oh.. while you're here' speech from many clients, to quickly look at many of the smaller machines, just like the AR208 etc etc. Now, I'm not exactly top-end IT myself (I have an IT dept at my disposal... hell yeah!), only knowing enough about drivers, firmware, button manager and some software products to get me through, but if I can easily setup a machine like yours with button manager or Sharpdesk, and get it scanning to email, desktop, network folder or inbound routing etc etc in just a few minutes, then this IT guy and client isn't worth your worry, hassles or wasted time. Go get that machine back, charge them for all copies done and move on. Learn early on that if an IT guy cant figure something simple out, or simply wont take the time to read a manual and explain it to HIS client, then they are not worth it mate. Dont let a cheap-ass client like this, who WILL be a PITA for years to come, get you down. YOU are a tech who works on far better machines, and if they cant see that, let 'em go get their HP. Just smile and think of being a fly on the wall at that place as soon as they cant get a tech out there, or parts, or when they get the bill for the over-priced consumables!

    If the IT guy is calling you first, it shows that he knows very little about office machines, and that its a quick way of letting you do all the work, provide him with all the details, then he goes and presents it to HIS client, looking like a hero. And then... if something goes wrong, blame the machine, blame you, blame anyone, just dont blame the IT guy who cant figure anything more advanced than a HP.

    Sorry HP techs... this aint about you.... its about sh*t IT wannabe's who cant figure simple/basic/obvious software packages out.

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    • axyun
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      #3
      Thanks for your input Wazza. I used to have 7 employess and had dozens of new machines on premises,mostly 15-20 cpm machines. Since thenmy business has declined considerably and where I had my own building for business I am now by myself and operating out of where I live. My last employee to leave was my best and was with me from 1979 to June 2007 as the business got that slow. He has been doing his own thing since then I I wish him well . He was a good , honest and reliable worker for 28 years and I miss him. I've been lucky that I have been able to manage the servicing myself without any assistance other than what I get from GREAT WEBSITES LIKE this where I get help from more advanced techs like yourself on various makes and models.
      Getting back to topic. I don't have the resources I used to or the space. I buy machines one at a time as needed on orders from customers. I don't sell many machines and that is an overstatement. I sell them now and then. I still have the FO-2080 I originally delivered to customer on 1/21 and that was my mistake. I don't have the ability to easily absorb the loss on 2 machines but if I were doing well and had the space like I used to and could easily move machines then I would agree with you I would take the machine though I believe customer is entirely wrong . I would have done it to promote goodwill and to alleviate unnecessary stress. I don't have the luxury of that choice anymore.
      I am very grateful that you have dispensed any doubt about the AR-208D scanning and network abilities as I am far too ignorant on the IT side of this business. I don't use the scanning or networking myself and never have so I don't even have the fundamental knowledge that comes with the experience of using those tools. I should certainly work at becoming more familiar with that side of the business.Thanks again. Frank

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      • vlad_robas
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        • Oct 2006
        • 225

        #4
        Hello,
        I almost have been in this situation ...
        Here is what i would do - in my case study the machine in and out myself or if that isn't possible speak with the best IT specialist in the area set up an appoinment with the client and explain that he bought a machine who i far more advanced than he think's and he should let your man set-up the machine and network, all this with his IT on see. Do a demo then tell him that if afther a month he still isn't happy with the machine u will try to help him sale that machine. U can't afford to buy from him a machine that he used. If he order a new car and afther a month isn't happy .. what happend's??
        We all pay for our choices... us the marryed one's we do the most

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        • axyun
          Service Manager

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          #5
          Thank you for the advice Vlad. Frank

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          • blackcat4866
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            #6
            I personally like vlad's advice. Sure this customer is going to a PITA, but tossing the sale is unpalatable. With the proper setup this machine will probably serve just fine.

            I am not familiar with Button Manager but I think you can probably manage with a little coaching from wazza. Is there a document that covers the setup of the scan features that axyun desires?

            If you still can't stand the customer at the end of the year, do not renew the maintenance agreement or raise the cost so that it compensates you for their irritation (or they go elsewhere). =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • OMD-227

              #7
              A brief description of Button Manager setup...............

              You said it yourself.... Its a low use environment. Any machine bigger than this would be overkill.
              Attached Files

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              • vlad_robas
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                • Oct 2006
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                #8
                ''PITA'' this is an abreviation which mean ..........?
                i can't figure out myself

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                • OMD-227

                  #9
                  Originally posted by vlad_robas
                  ''PITA'' this is an abreviation which mean ..........?
                  i can't figure out myself
                  PITA - Pain In The Ass.



                  We all know at least one!

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                  • blackcat4866
                    Master Of The Obvious

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                    #10
                    Sorry. I should have known that it wouldn't translate.

                    For those acronyms that don't seem to make any sense try the urban dictionary. It's a little vulgar, but educational. Urban Dictionary: pita =^..^=
                    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                    • tmaged
                      Owner/Service Manager

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                      • Oct 2008
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                      #11
                      Frank, the button mananger is only used for USB scanning. For network applications ( you stated it had a network board) you should use Sharpdesk. We don't have any of these out with the network boards on them, but according to the spec sheet it doesn't have SMB scanning to a folder. It says the NB2A has 3 user licenses for Sharpdesk. It will also do scan to email. This can be set up through the embedded web page. Scan to email can be tricky if you don't know what you're doing. I've gone into it in depth on here if you do a little searching. Let me know if I can be of any help.
                      Hope that helps !
                      -Tony
                      www.dtios.com
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                      • nmfaxman
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by wazza
                        PITA - Pain In The Ass.



                        We all know at least one!
                        As a big fan of abreviations. I thank you for the new one.
                        May I offer DAAHR. Dumb As A Hot Rock.
                        My advice is to read the install manual and make it work once in the shop under controlled system.
                        Reset and reinstall just so you are comfortable with it.
                        Go to the PITA and install it in 15 minutes. Make his IT guy eat a big O'L Sh*tburger.
                        Good luck.
                        Why do they call it common sense?

                        If it were common, wouldn't everyone have it?

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                        • OMD-227

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nmfaxman
                          Go to the PITA and install it in 15 minutes. Make his IT guy eat a big O'L Sh*tburger.
                          Good luck.
                          Nicely said! I fully agree.

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                          • axyun
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                            #14
                            Thanks to all for your input especially Wazza for the button manager info. I called customer after a few days to see if all was alright or if he wanted me to have an IT guy familiar with button manager setup and he said his guy was able to take care of it and everything is okay now. Customer is keeping machine. Frank

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