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  • DEGUY
    Technician
    • Apr 2008
    • 35

    #1

    AR 507 doc feed problems

    set the copier for say 20 copies through the D.F and sure enough goes into a jam along the way, as though it's a sensor issue or one way gear problem. I did sensor test which all seemed to test ok and replaced all the o.w gears on the D.F, replaced P.U and feed rollers and sep. pad. I have had this before a few years ago and really cant remember what I did to fix this problem. Oh I also did the sensor adjustment 53.1 I think was the code, maybe I did it wrong but the way I did it was I cleaned the sensors and reflectors then 53.1 then just highlighted each adj. and pressed execute. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
  • johnbla
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    50+ Posts
    • Apr 2005
    • 94

    #2
    Did you do the resist roller and it's 'spring' ?
    regards

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    • DEGUY
      Technician
      • Apr 2008
      • 35

      #3
      resist roller

      no I did not, could you please tell me more

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      • blackcat4866
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        • Jul 2007
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        #4
        Jam Codes?

        What Jam codes? There are too many possibilities without specific jam codes. Also check for stored-but-not-displayed error codes. It sounds as though you've covered the basics.

        =^..^=
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • DEGUY
          Technician
          • Apr 2008
          • 35

          #5
          reply to blackcat

          Actually the copier was not going into a jam it was just stopping

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          • blackcat4866
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            • Jul 2007
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            #6
            So what happens? Does the panel lock up. Anything on the display? Is there paper stopped in the copier or RSDF?

            This does not sound like a jam condition. Perhaps more like a power supply issue.
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • DEGUY
              Technician
              • Apr 2008
              • 35

              #7
              paper is in the df as all the paper in the copier finishes and exits

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              • blackcat4866
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                #8
                Are you checking simulation 22-12 for RSDF jams? There must be some. Simulation 22-04 is where you'll find machine errors. Simulation 22-03 displays only copier/finisher paper jams.

                This last post sounds exactly like a RSDF jam, and it should have stored a jam.

                =^..^=
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                • DEGUY
                  Technician
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 35

                  #9
                  I assume that the tech on this job did but I have to go there now so I will check myself when I go, thats why I am tryiny to arm myself before I go I had him do all the fixes that I described earlier but if you have any ideas for me anything would help

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                  • DEGUY
                    Technician
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 35

                    #10
                    blackcat

                    Whats the deal about the resist roller and the spring? that sounds like something for a skewing or registration issue?

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                    • blackcat4866
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                      #11
                      Ok, so here's the long answer.

                      Once you have jam codes check the sensors individually in simulation 53-06. Specifically I've seen the RDS sensor give false readings (0G_ST or EXT jams) when the top cover is pressed on. In that case there were cold solder joints on the sensor board (quick & easy to fix). Then re-calibrate the sensors in sim 53-02. If RDS stays on all the time no matter what, re-seat connector CN10 on the RSDF controller.

                      If you're getting a 0G_FD jam code, the return spring may have come unhooked from the flag that hangs down into the tray.

                      0G_FD jams could also mean those one-way gears. They're a major pain to change out. I've only done it twice. Replace the one-way gears (30T: 0CW2254P080//, 40T: 0CW2254P011//, 40T: 0CW2254P013//, shaft: 0CW2254P200//). Curiously, Installing an old worn separation pad actually improves the performance if its a one-way problem.

                      For very intermittent jamming check the pressure from the lower idlers. The leaf spring mount may be loose because the screw holes break out of the black plastic lower guide. There are three additional places to accept a screw. Measure to locate a new hole in the metal bracket. Drill a 3mm hole & remount the bracket. Or replace the lower guide (0CW2254P024//).

                      I hope this helps. =^..^=
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                      • DEGUY
                        Technician
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 35

                        #12
                        Blackcat

                        Thanks again, I will be doing this call nest week and will let you know. Thanks, David

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                        • blackcat4866
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                          #13
                          johnbla may be referring to the separation pad and separation spring. I have experimented with other springs to increase/decrease separation. It is very touchy. If you take off more than two spring wraps it multifeeds. If the replacement spring is longer by two wraps it misfeeds. Just stick with the standard spring.

                          =^..^=
                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                          • bryan

                            #14
                            I agree that it sounds like power suppl issue

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