Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

[Enzo]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Get a new fuser for that machine, run a few copies - 25 - maybe, rewire the fuser crum to be exactly like the cc crum. Look carefully. On the 265 we have to add a wire and cut a trace. Done it several times.

Anyone know how to reprogram an OEM rfid crum? (123/128, etc.)

Glenn

Hello friend. I did not really understand what you wrote. I'm sorry but I do not know English well.
However, I have noticed that both the eeprom dc440 than wcp65 are the same, are both XEROX01. My question is: why the dc440 it works and wcp65 not? Obviously I do not use the original chip, but third-party chip that can be reset without problems.

[Scarecrow]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Hello friend. I did not really understand what you wrote. I'm sorry but I do not know English well.
However, I have noticed that both the eeprom dc440 than wcp65 are the same, are both XEROX01. My question is: why the dc440 it works and wcp65 not? Obviously I do not use the original chip, but third-party chip that can be reset without problems.

Enzo, I have tried to reprogram a Lakes crum and no success. I had the maker of the eeprom programer try to do it and no success. We are unable to reprogram the OEM 440 crum, but we reprogram the generic version. What I do when rebuilding the Lakes copy cartridge is make a fuser crum look exactly like the cc crum. Before you modify the fuser crum, run a few copies on the fuser. Remove the fuser crum and rewire it exactly like the cc crum. Then use the fuser crum in the cc. We use a 265 fuser crum on a C90. It should work on a pro.

1) Run 25 copies on a new fuser, or use a used fuser crum, not an expired crum.
2) remove the fuser crum and cut the trace from pin 1 to pin 8
3) short pins 2 & 3
4) install the fuser crum in the copy cartridge. You will NOT get the message "Replace developer collector", or "Send back the fuser" message.

[Scarecrow]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Enzo, I have tried to reprogram a Lakes crum and no success. I had the maker of the eeprom programer try to do it and no success. We are unable to reprogram the OEM 440 crum, but we reprogram the generic version. What I do when rebuilding the Lakes copy cartridge is make a fuser crum look exactly like the cc crum. Before you modify the fuser crum, run a few copies on the fuser. Remove the fuser crum and rewire it exactly like the cc crum. Then use the fuser crum in the cc. We use a 265 fuser crum on a C90. It should work on a pro.

1) Run 25 copies on a new fuser, or use a used fuser crum, not an expired crum.
2) remove the fuser crum and cut the trace from pin 1 to pin 8
3) short pins 2 & 3
4) install the fuser crum in the copy cartridge. You will NOT get the message "Replace developer collector", or "Send back the fuser" message.

I should specify that the pin numbers are the chip pin numbers, not the connector numbers.

[Enzo]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

So friend, I understood what you wrote and that's what I did! The operations that I made are these:
1) Desolder the eprom from the original chip.
2) Connect the eprom for a programmer to read the data.
3) I saved the data in .bin. The module had worked 40,000.
4) Connect a blank EPROM (24C02) to the programmer and write the data.
5) Solder the EPROM on the circuit.

With this steps I can run the xerox dc440.
Doing the same for the WCP65 does not work! The machine shows me the "insert module". Why is that? I searched in internet and I read that the chip used is always the 24C02, so what I used!

[Scarecrow]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

So friend, I understood what you wrote and that's what I did! The operations that I made are these:
1) Desolder the eprom from the original chip.
2) Connect the eprom for a programmer to read the data.
3) I saved the data in .bin. The module had worked 40,000.
4) Connect a blank EPROM (24C02) to the programmer and write the data.
5) Solder the EPROM on the circuit.

With this steps I can run the xerox dc440.
Doing the same for the WCP65 does not work! The machine shows me the "insert module". Why is that? I searched in internet and I read that the chip used is always the 24C02, so what I used!

I didn't copy and program.

[adriansto]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

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In first image is the content of data from new DC440 print cartridge chip. As you see the most information is located in first part of the chip. In second image you see the content of used dc440 chip. The data in first part is changed and also changed the data in a "special" zone of the chip marked with orange color.
Most of DC440 machine use the data in first part of the chip and that is the reason you can use the 24c02 chip instead of xerox01 chip.
Another xerox machine use the data from "special" zone of the chip like in image 3 and 4 where the changes are in "special" zone. In this images is a new chip from WC315 machine and a used one - code J7 - from same machine.
In "special" zone of the chip you can only change the bit memory from 1 to 0 not from 0 to 1. It is like a programmable only memory. Also you need specific communication with the cip to write this zone. It is a alteration of I2C protocol and need to use specific programming software.
In Pro65 xerox machine the data in the chips are in same "special" zone and that is the reason you can't use the domestic 24cxx eeprom chip.

[Enzo]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Ok friend, your explanation is perfect. But according to you, how would I go about creating a new chip for use under the wcp65? I have big problem with the module, since I am in Europe (113R623) and instead I have USA modules (113R621).

[adriansto]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

If you have a new chip for an dc440 using proper software you can write the protected area with data from a dump of a new pro65 fuser bin if you have a dump for this chip. Also the new chip from a DC230 has only one location on protected area that is not hexa FF - as you see the dc440 chip has three locations modified in protected area.

[Enzo]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

If you have a new chip for an dc440 using proper software you can write the protected area with data from a dump of a new pro65 fuser bin if you have a dump for this chip. Also the new chip from a DC230 has only one location on protected area that is not hexa FF - as you see the dc440 chip has three locations modified in protected area.

I do not understand English well, damn!
My situation is this:
I have the chip dc440 and I can "clone them", in the sense that I have the data .bin and I can write them on blank eprom 24c02. They work!
Now, I need to do the same operation on wcp65. I asked on the Internet and I know that the eprom used is 24c02, that is the same as dc440. So I performed the same operation to clone the chip.
1) So I unsoldered the eprom from the original circuit.
2) I saved the data (the module has made 40,000 copies)
3) I took a virgin eprom 24c02 and I wrote the data.
4) I soldered this "new" EPROM on the module circuit.

At this point I expected that the module continues to work, but it is not so! And it is for this reason that I ask you why it is not working.

[adriansto]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Because the dc440 machine dont read in protected area of the xerox01 (this is the original chip) chip you can use 24c04 chip instead of xerox01 chip and the copier see the print cartridge.

WCPro65 fuser chip are many useful data writed in the protected area. When you use the 24c04 the firmware of the pro65 know that is not original xerox01 chip and don't communicate with chip you writing.

1. Unsolder an original new chip from dc 440 or dc230 print module.
2. Using special software writing this chip with bin for pro65
3 Solder the chip in the fuser crum of pro65.
4 Now the machine will work.
A new cartridge for dc 440 is not so expensive like a new fuser module for pro65 !

[Scarecrow]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Because the dc440 machine dont read in protected area of the xerox01 (this is the original chip) chip you can use 24c04 chip instead of xerox01 chip and the copier see the print cartridge.

WCPro65 fuser chip are many useful data writed in the protected area. When you use the 24c04 the firmware of the pro65 know that is not original xerox01 chip and don't communicate with chip you writing.

1. Unsolder an original new chip from dc 440 or dc230 print module.
2. Using special software writing this chip with bin for pro65
3 Solder the chip in the fuser crum of pro65.
4 Now the machine will work.
A new cartridge for dc 440 is not so expensive like a new fuser module for pro65 !

Adrian , I have used the crum from a 265 fuser in a c90 cc. Sometimes a fuser fails early and the crum then is basicly free. I implied in a previous post that fuser had to be from the pro 65 - not the case, sorry.

[adriansto]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Adrian , I have used the crum from a 265 fuser in a c90 cc. Sometimes a fuser fails early and the crum then is basicly free. I implied in a previous post that fuser had to be from the pro 65 - not the case, sorry.

Yes Glenn you are right but in Europe we don't find an inexpensive fuser module for dc265 or wcp65-90 machines to use the crum. But at price of $40 = 30 euro we can get a print cartridge for DocumentCentre 440 or 230 and use the chip from this crum.

[Enzo]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Because the dc440 machine dont read in protected area of the xerox01 (this is the original chip) chip you can use 24c04 chip instead of xerox01 chip and the copier see the print cartridge.

WCPro65 fuser chip are many useful data writed in the protected area. When you use the 24c04 the firmware of the pro65 know that is not original xerox01 chip and don't communicate with chip you writing.

1. Unsolder an original new chip from dc 440 or dc230 print module.
2. Using special software writing this chip with bin for pro65
3 Solder the chip in the fuser crum of pro65.
4 Now the machine will work.
A new cartridge for dc 440 is not so expensive like a new fuser module for pro65 !

Ok friend, then I should use the original chip dc440 and write data wcp65 with a particular software.
Now I ask you:
1) What particular software should I use?
2) What eprom requires wcp65? The 24C02 or 24C04?

[adriansto]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

2) What eprom requires wcp65? The 24C02 or 24C04?

Sorry but you dont understood. May be you find a guy from Roumanie to spoke with him.

[Enzo]

Re: Module Xerographic WorkCentre Pro65

Sorry but you dont understood. May be you find a guy from Roumanie to spoke with him.

I asked this question because you had written this sentence:
"WCPro65 fuser chip are many useful data writed in the protected area. When you use the 24c04 the firmware of the pro65 Know That Is not original xerox01 chip and do not communicate with you chip writing."
Since I use the 24C02 for dc440, at this point I would try to use the 24C04 on wcp65 if you give me confirmation.