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bluenite
01-23-2021, 10:48 PM
I am considering buying a new printer for home use, with a small amount of printing. Major manufacturers (Canon/Epson/HP/Brother) are constantly improving their systems, but I'm mainly interested in drying nozzles. Among other things, the cartridges price, original or compatible. Will anyone share the experience? Or look at a color laser, no photo quality printing?
Does anyone know a good sites/blogs with verified opinions on printers?
Thanks for answers
Peter

Phil B.
01-23-2021, 10:59 PM
I am considering buying a new printer for home use, with a small amount of printing. Major manufacturers (Canon/Epson/HP/Brother) are constantly improving their systems, but I'm mainly interested in drying nozzles. Among other things, the cartridges price, original or compatible. Will anyone share the experience? Or look at a color laser, no photo quality printing?
Does anyone know a good sites/blogs with verified opinions on printers?
Thanks for answers
Peter

brothers dry out the least

epson next

how long between print jobs?

DO NOT USE COMPATIBLE INK.

you'd have to give more info:

how many prints per week.

how long between jobs.

what are you printing.

what size of paper.

print quality expected.

printer budget.

Phil B. ' The Dentist '

blackcat4866
01-23-2021, 11:06 PM
Look for an inkjet that has separate ink tanks for each color. So when you run out of one color, you're not throwing away the rest of the other three colors. I have had 3 or 4 Canons and have been overall happy with then. They are very flexible with media. The straight through path allows a wide variety of media to be used.

Do not plan to have them fixed if you have a problem. They are disposable. The cost of the service call exceeds the replacement cost. =^..^=

Phil B.
01-23-2021, 11:17 PM
Look for an inkjet that has separate ink tanks for each color. So when you run out of one color, you're not throwing away the rest of the other three colors. I have had 3 or 4 Canons and have been overall happy with then. They are very flexible with media. The straight through path allows a wide variety of media to be used.

Do not plan to have them fixed if you have a problem. They are disposable. The cost of the service call exceeds the replacement cost. =^..^=

hey BC how do the Canons handle airflow on top of them?

Had Epson surecolor that would dry out and it was from ceiling air vents blowing directly down on it. moved it a few feet and all was good even if they only did one plot a week.

blackcat4866
01-23-2021, 11:59 PM
I've never had that particular issue. Interesting.

I used to print manila envelopes, cardstock, non-standard sizes ... just about anything. And though I usually discourage refilling ink tanks, this was just a clear plastic box that held the ink ... no printhead. It was a simple matter of prying out the nylon ball, squirting in 0.25oz of ink and popping the nylon ball back in. =^..^=

Phil B.
01-24-2021, 12:08 AM
I've never had that particular issue. Interesting.

I used to print manila envelopes, cardstock, non-standard sizes ... just about anything. And though I usually discourage refilling ink tanks, this was just a clear plastic box that held the ink ... no printhead. It was a simple matter of prying out the nylon ball, squirting in 0.25oz of ink and popping the nylon ball back in. =^..^=

yeah I did on old hp's

but on the newer carts w/ chips that isn't as easy.

the surecolor has large tanks.. larger print heads a larger field of ink being put down, even the desktop 12x18 had great quality and some even have large tanks of ink.

the ones that use smaller carts are POS's IMHO

yes brother does use the multi color and separate black on most models

one trick I learned for most inkjet's

'clogged heads'

fold paper towel so it fits in head path.

wet w/ Simple Green...

park the print head over that towel for 30-45 mins

clean parking/wiper station down while head is parked.

move head back to parking area

remove paper towel

test print

works on epson-hp-brother& canon(these are the most stubborn)

slimslob
01-24-2021, 06:25 AM
You might want to keep a full set of cartridges on hand. That could however get expensive. If all you are going to do is printing a couple of pages every now and then compare the cost of a full set of cartridges against a low priced printer such as a Canon TS202 $78.00 from Amazon. Keep a new one in the box for when the current one quits.

copier tech
01-24-2021, 09:44 AM
I am considering buying a new printer for home use, with a small amount of printing. Major manufacturers (Canon/Epson/HP/Brother) are constantly improving their systems, but I'm mainly interested in drying nozzles. Among other things, the cartridges price, original or compatible. Will anyone share the experience? Or look at a color laser, no photo quality printing?
Does anyone know a good sites/blogs with verified opinions on printers?
Thanks for answers
Peter


If you have the space go for a colour laserjet many advantages over ink.

BillyCarpenter
01-24-2021, 12:46 PM
I think inkjet printers (most of 'em) are the biggest ripoff known to man. The price per copy is ridiculous. Laserjet is much less expensive. There are some inkjets that are less expensive than others. You better do your homework. Stay away from HP...unless you like spending money. And like blackcat said, when something goes wrong, just throw it in the trash and buy another one. HP and most brands sell the printer at cost and get you on the cartridges.

copiertec
01-24-2021, 12:57 PM
I think inkjet printers (most of 'em) are the biggest ripoff known to man. The price per copy is ridiculous. Laserjet is much less expensive. There are some inkjets that are less expensive than others. You better do your homework. Stay away from HP...unless you like spending money. And like blackcat said, when something goes wrong, just throw it in the trash and buy another one. HP and most brands sell the printer at cost and get you on the cartridges.

HP has always been short for, "High Priced", in my book.

skynet
01-24-2021, 01:45 PM
I have been using compatibles in my epson 2630 for a few years and it produces very good results. The nozzles have dried out once but Phil's trick fixed that. I can get 40 for what epson want for one set.

BillyCarpenter
01-24-2021, 05:20 PM
The 10 most expensive liquids on earth per gallon:


1. SCORPION VENOM $39,000,000 PER GALLON

2. KING COBRA VENOM $153,000 PER GALLON

3. LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE (LSD) $123,000 PER GALLON



4. HORSESHOE CRAB BLOOD $60,000 PER GALLON


5. CHANEL NO. 5 $26,000 PER GALLON

6. INSULIN $9,400* PER GALLON

7. MERCURY $3,400 PER GALLON




8. BLACK PRINTER INK $2,700 PER GALLON


9. GAMMA HYDROXYBUTYRIC ACID (GHB): $2,500 PER GALLON



10. HUMAN BLOOD: $1,500 PER GALLON

copier tech
01-24-2021, 05:36 PM
The 10 most expensive liquids on earth per gallon:


1. SCORPION VENOM $39,000,000 PER GALLON

2. KING COBRA VENOM $153,000 PER GALLON

3. LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE (LSD) $123,000 PER GALLON



4. HORSESHOE CRAB BLOOD $60,000 PER GALLON


5. CHANEL NO. 5 $26,000 PER GALLON

6. INSULIN $9,400* PER GALLON

7. MERCURY $3,400 PER GALLON




8. BLACK PRINTER INK $2,700 PER GALLON


9. GAMMA HYDROXYBUTYRIC ACID (GHB): $2,500 PER GALLON



10. HUMAN BLOOD: $1,500 PER GALLON


Interesting list. I’m surprised wine or champagne is not on that there, some of the rare bottles sells for thousands.

bluenite
01-24-2021, 07:04 PM
brothers dry out the least

epson next

how long between print jobs?

DO NOT USE COMPATIBLE INK.

you'd have to give more info:

how many prints per week.

how long between jobs.

what are you printing.

what size of paper.

print quality expected.

printer budget.

Phil B. ' The Dentist '

wow what a nice discussion here arises.
You can see where it goes ;-)

I don't know the printer Brother at all, same as OKI with LED technology.
Don't print often, but rather suddenly,
as a freelance architect with home office with a need accurate vectors +presentations from photoshop,
I am discouraged by the low photo quality from the laser.
Formats are A4-A3+.
Printer budget is relative - today's prices are still similar to what used to be in this category, but today quality is an essential parameter.

I don't want a "cheap" printer. Only since I bought the last one has technology advanced. The good old HPlj1300 cost 800usd 20 years ago, I didn't even think about a color laser that time.
I also had Epsons of a slightly higher category, Stylus Photo 1270, then nice design piece SP2200, from HP DesignJet 30.
I tried alternative refills, returned to the original due to the results.
Now I am looking for the current experience of other demanding users with regard to the price/performance parameter.
I am considering the options, I do not have much space for more hw for different uses (documents-color laser/photo+presentation-inkjet).
Furthermore, the original consumables - such a Canon has color prices slowly the same as the printer itself (6-color).

Thanks for every feedback.
Peter

copiertec
01-24-2021, 07:04 PM
The 10 most expensive liquids on earth per gallon:


1. SCORPION VENOM $39,000,000 PER GALLON

2. KING COBRA VENOM $153,000 PER GALLON

3. LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE (LSD) $123,000 PER GALLON



4. HORSESHOE CRAB BLOOD $60,000 PER GALLON


5. CHANEL NO. 5 $26,000 PER GALLON

6. INSULIN $9,400* PER GALLON

7. MERCURY $3,400 PER GALLON




8. BLACK PRINTER INK $2,700 PER GALLON


9. GAMMA HYDROXYBUTYRIC ACID (GHB): $2,500 PER GALLON



10. HUMAN BLOOD: $1,500 PER GALLON


I find it interesting that black printer ink is more expensive than human blood.

Phil B.
01-24-2021, 07:24 PM
I have been using compatibles in my epson 2630 for a few years and it produces very good results. The nozzles have dried out once but Phil's trick fixed that. I can get 40 for what epson want for one set.

glad my trick worked out for you brother.

bluenite
01-25-2021, 02:55 PM
wow what a nice discussion here arises.
You can see where it goes ;-)

I don't know the printer Brother at all, same as OKI with LED technology.
Don't print often, but rather suddenly,
as a freelance architect with home office with a need accurate vectors +presentations from photoshop,
I am discouraged by the low photo quality from the laser.
Formats are A4-A3+.
Printer budget is relative - today's prices are still similar to what used to be in this category, but today quality is an essential parameter.

I don't want a "cheap" printer. Only since I bought the last one has technology advanced. The good old HPlj1300 cost 800usd 20 years ago, I didn't even think about a color laser that time.
I also had Epsons of a slightly higher category, Stylus Photo 1270, then nice design piece SP2200, from HP DesignJet 30.
I tried alternative refills, returned to the original due to the results.
Now I am looking for the current experience of other demanding users with regard to the price/performance parameter.
I am considering the options, I do not have much space for more hw for different uses (documents-color laser/photo+presentation-inkjet).
Furthermore, the original consumables - such a Canon has color prices slowly the same as the printer itself (6-color).

Thanks for every feedback.
Peter

copier tech
01-25-2021, 03:47 PM
I find it interesting that black printer ink is more expensive than human blood.

The cost of the utterly delicious Remy Martin Louis XIII Cognac Baccarat Crystal works out at 3,714.29 per litre, so 4.5 litres in a gallon, cost per gallon 16,713 why did this not make the list!

Remy Martin Louis XIII Cognac - Baccarat Crystal : The Whisky Exchange (https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/1771/remy-martin-louis-xiii-cognac-baccarat-crystal)

BillyCarpenter
01-25-2021, 04:12 PM
The cost of the utterly delicious Remy Martin Louis XIII Cognac Baccarat Crystal works out at 3,714.29 per litre, so 4.5 litres in a gallon, cost per gallon 16,713 why did this not make the list!

Remy Martin Louis XIII Cognac - Baccarat Crystal : The Whisky Exchange (https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/1771/remy-martin-louis-xiii-cognac-baccarat-crystal)

There are bottles of alcohol that can go in the millions. Very rare stuff. I knew that the list I posted wasn't 100% accurate when I first read it.

Years ago I read that printer ink was one of the most expensive liquids and this article is the first one that popped up when I did a search. I wasn't gonna spend a lot of time on it. It was only for perspective. :p

EDIT: A lot of the expensive alcohols are sold at auction and there was big counterfeit scandal that happened a few years back where someone had "aged" the labels and filled the bottles with cheap stuff.

http://selinko.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Anti-counterfeiting-study-wines-and-spirits-market.pdf

copier tech
01-25-2021, 06:07 PM
There are bottles of alcohol that can go in the millions. Very rare stuff. I knew that the list I posted wasn't 100% accurate when I first read it.

Years ago I read that printer ink was one of the most expensive liquids and this article is the first one that popped up when I did a search. I wasn't gonna spend a lot of time on it. It was only for perspective. :p

EDIT: A lot of the expensive alcohols are sold at auction and there was big counterfeit scandal that happened a few years back where someone had "aged" the labels and filled the bottles with cheap stuff.

http://selinko.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Anti-counterfeiting-study-wines-and-spirits-market.pdf

Yes counterfeiting alcohol is worryingly common place especially vodka because drinkers have it with a mixer & would never notice the difference. The worrying part is it has a high ethanol content which apparently can make you blind!

slimslob
01-25-2021, 06:40 PM
Yes counterfeiting alcohol is worryingly common place especially vodka because drinkers have it with a mixer & would never notice the difference. The worrying part is it has a high ethanol content which apparently can make you blind!


Shouldn't that be Methanol, wood alcohol? The most common cause of blindness from drinking is methanol.Blindness treated with whiskey: Can you really lose your sight from drinking? (https://slate.com/technology/2012/12/blindness-treated-with-whiskey-can-you-really-lose-your-sight-from-drinking.html)

BillyCarpenter
01-25-2021, 06:44 PM
We've turned this into the drinking thread. LOL

Anyone ever watch that show "moonshiners"? These old-timers knew what they were doing. They talked about folks going blind from some moonshine wasn't made properly. I haven't drank in years so I'm good. :p

tsbservice
01-25-2021, 07:03 PM
We've turned this into the drinking thread. LOL

Anyone ever watch that show "moonshiners"? These old-timers knew what they were doing. They talked about folks going blind from some moonshine wasn't made properly. I haven't drank in years so I'm good. :p

Guys still did it old fashioned way around here.

P.S. Slim is right about Methanol.

skynet
01-25-2021, 07:19 PM
We've turned this into the drinking thread. LOL

Anyone ever watch that show "moonshiners"?

Never heard of it, but I don't live in the US, my first introduction to moonshine via TV was the Dukes Of Hazard.

Phil B.
01-25-2021, 07:23 PM
Shouldn't that be Methanol, wood alcohol? The most common cause of blindness from drinking is methanol.Blindness treated with whiskey: Can you really lose your sight from drinking? (https://slate.com/technology/2012/12/blindness-treated-with-whiskey-can-you-really-lose-your-sight-from-drinking.html)

not to mention it KILLS your liver... lots of folks died during prohibition due to drink Methanol.

slimslob
01-25-2021, 08:07 PM
Never heard of it, but I don't live in the US, my first introduction to moonshine via TV was the Dukes Of Hazard.

It is on cable. One of the Discovery channels.

Phil B.
01-25-2021, 08:26 PM
It is on cable. One of the Discovery channels.

it's also on Quest which is a History channel.

years ago I knew a Western Carolina moonshiner .. but he past last year JimBob made some smooth 'shine usually came in about 105 proof.

Drivee
07-23-2021, 10:49 AM
Just a few drops of methanol can kill you. That stuff is heavy and it is always on the bottom of bottle or glass. In my country, 5-6 people die from methanol per year. Some people make rakia and they just kill people.. last time 20 people die drinking Guslar rakija. The maker go to jail..

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