Problem with charge in Minolta C454

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  • andrecopfac
    Technician
    • Feb 2020
    • 17

    #1

    [Electrical] Problem with charge in Minolta C454

    I'm having problems with extreme background in all prints, I've already changed the drum, developing box and image belt, without success.


    When I add automatic toner in black, it raises the TCR to 6.5 but then drops to 0.30.

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  • Konicatech
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Feb 2016
    • 131

    #2
    Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

    Have seen it before with compatible toners, are you using them?

    If so take the toners out, run halftones until the hopper is empty, then put OEM toner in and run 50 of each CMYK halftone to flush the dev unit through with fresh toner and see if it clears up.

    for the low tcr you will need to likely change the dev unit.

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    • copyman
      Owner / Technician

      Site Contributor
      2,500+ Posts
      • Sep 2005
      • 4537

      #3
      Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

      Are you using new genuine drums & developer units? And like other poster said aftermarket toner can cause this. Keep in mind any over life consumable can cause developer loss in any other color.

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      • andrecopfac
        Technician
        • Feb 2020
        • 17

        #4
        Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

        Originally posted by copyman
        Are you using new genuine drums & developer units? And like other poster said aftermarket toner can cause this. Keep in mind any over life consumable can cause developer loss in any other color.

        We use toner from Minolta C6000 c7000 OK?

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        • andrecopfac
          Technician
          • Feb 2020
          • 17

          #5
          Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

          Originally posted by Konicatech
          Have seen it before with compatible toners, are you using them?

          If so take the toners out, run halftones until the hopper is empty, then put OEM toner in and run 50 of each CMYK halftone to flush the dev unit through with fresh toner and see if it clears up.

          for the low tcr you will need to likely change the dev unit.

          We use toner from Minolta C6000 c7000 OK?

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          • femaster
            Service Manager

            1,000+ Posts
            • May 2011
            • 1466

            #6
            Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

            Originally posted by andrecopfac
            We use toner from Minolta C6000 c7000 OK?
            The ingredients between the 2 are different. For starters, the C6000/C7000 toner does not contain the necessary developer mixed with it that the 4-series machines need to keep the development unit properly replenished. There is also a mismatch in the amount of Styrene acrylic resin, which I'm sure isn't helping your situation either.

            Product Name: TONER TN512K (C454)
            3. COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
            Major Ingredients:
            [Generic Name] [CAS No.] [%]
            Styrene acrylic resin 65-75
            Ferrite:
            - Iron oxide 1309-37-1 1-10
            - Manganese oxide 1344-43-0 1-10
            Wax 1-10
            Carbon black 1333-86-4 1-10
            Wax-2 1-10
            Amorphous silica 7631-86-9 1-10
            Titanium dioxide 13463-67-7 <1


            Product Name: TONER TN616K (C6000)
            3. COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
            Major Ingredients:
            [Generic Name] [CAS No.] [%]
            Styrene acrylic resin 75-85
            Wax 1-10
            Carbon black 1333-86-4 1-10
            Wax-2 1-10
            Amorphous silica 7631-86-9 1-10
            Titanium dioxide 13463-67-7 < 1
            A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
            My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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            • copyman
              Owner / Technician

              Site Contributor
              2,500+ Posts
              • Sep 2005
              • 4537

              #7
              Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

              Originally posted by andrecopfac
              We use toner from Minolta C6000 c7000 OK?
              Think you answered your own question. There is no longer a Kon/Min toner shortage so no need to improvise using toners from other models. Even aftermarket toner for correct model gives you a better chance of good print quality then toner designed for a different model.

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              • tecnomarco
                Trusted Tech
                • Jul 2011
                • 205

                #8
                Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

                I also had problems with the tcr that went to zero i had to replace the black toner power motor so 'i solved i hope you are useful this suggestion

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                • L0rdC
                  Technician
                  • Feb 2021
                  • 82

                  #9
                  Re: Problem with charge in Minolta C454

                  check the waste toner tank, it should be full of developer

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