Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

I have never really spotted someone who was considered political correct, who would be thought of as racist.

politically correct ummmm Like : Hillary Clinton ...Corrine Brown.... Nancy Pelosi .... Maxine Waters .... Van Jones ..Chuck Todd? ( just to name a few )

I name these because of your statement " people that are smart don't claim they are " they ( above mentioned ) are always screaming racist.. but in fact hide behind the over used term.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA "

Please explain exactly what an "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" is...?

From the American Psychological Association.
Undocumented Americans

What is it like to grow up as an undocumented youth in America?


Answers to Your Questions about Undocumented Youth in America

1. How many undocumented children and youth live in America?

There are one million children under 18i and 4.4 million under 30ii living in America out of the estimated total of 11.1 million undocumented immigrantsiii living in America. These young people are not the only ones affected by undocumented status. Nearly half of undocumented adults are parents of minorsiv, many of whom are citizens. There are an estimated 5.5 million children with at least one undocumented parent, 4.5 million of whom were born here making them U.S. citizensvvi.
2. How does being undocumented negatively affect well-being?

vii:

• [*=left]racial profiling
  [*=left]ongoing discrimination
  [*=left]exposure to gangs
  [*=left]immigration raids in their communities
  [*=left]arbitrary stopping of family members to check their documentation status
  [*=left]being forcibly taken or separated from their families
  [*=left]returning home to find their families have been taken away
  [*=left]placement in detention camps or the child welfare system
  [*=left]deportation

These stressful experiences can lead to a number of negative emotional and behavioral outcomes including anxiety, fear, depression, anger, social isolation and lack of a sense of belonging. And, of course, separation from their families can be particularly traumatizing for children and youth. For young children whose undocumented parents have been detained or even deported, the impact can be severe. Researchers have found that they often experience in the short term, frequent crying, withdrawal, disrupted eating and sleeping patterns, anger, anxiety and depression. Over time, these can lead to more severe issues like post-traumatic stress disorder, poor identity formation, difficulty forming relationships, feelings of persecution, distrust of institutions and authority figures, acting out behaviors and difficulties at schoolvii.
3. What does the video tell us about what it means to be an American?

vii shows that continued discrimination toward immigrants by greater society can make acculturation difficult and has negative mental health consequences (e.g., depression, anxiety and social isolation).
4. Why should we as a society care about undocumented youth?

5. Who is to blame for putting undocumented youth in this situation?

People come to this country for a number of reasons (i.e., search for work, family reunification and humanitarian refuge). Most often, it is to provide a better opportunity for their children and families. While some undocumented immigrants do cross the border illegally, about 40 percent are individuals who entered legally on a visa which has since expiredvii. Navigating the U.S. immigration system to gain legal status is extremely difficult. For undocumented parents, returning to their country of origin and leaving their children behind is an option that would be traumatic for all parties concerned. Reuniting with their children may take years, especially when complicated by financial hurdles and immigration regulations. The longer the separation, the more complicated the family reunification and the greater the likelihood that their children will suffer psychologically. The children caught in the middle do not deserve the negative outcomes of family separation regardless of the reasons their parents are out of status. Assigning blame is not productive. What matters most is that undocumented youth and children of undocumented parents deserve the same opportunities for health and wellbeing as any child growing up in America.

http://www.apa.org/topics/immigration/undocumented-video.aspx

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

I don't think we should let the "dreamers" stay automatically. I agree that we should have some kind of path for them, but it shouldn't be easy for them to stay.

back in the early 1900's we had a system MUCH like Canada has today which required :

Immigrants must be able to prove:

ability to support themselves

not a burden on our society

be able to be a benefit to the USA with certain skills.

Now you just have to be able to prove you are alive.

IMHO NO ONE should be able to enter our country without proving you have the above mentioned attributes. Some want the cheep labor ... others are just worried what side you will vote for... THEY should ALL be made to " go thru the process " ... proving they really DESERVE to be here.


BUT no one gives a damn if they are a threat or a burden on our country!

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

No gov't wants foreigners to enter their country without permission.

so then why the big hubbub about Trumps positions on Illegals/Dreamers? I don't want people here that fight the system.... demand rights that non-criminals are afforded.... and EXPECT everything for free.

" IF your Mom and Dad sneak you into Disney Land... Should Disney Land let you stay and ride the rides free for the rest of your life? -= OR =- Should you be required to buy ride tickets? "

[slimslob]

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I know what DACA is...I'm trying to learn exactly what "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" are. Perhaps "DACA" is a nation with it's own citizens?

No, DACA was an Executive Order issued by President Obama to instruct the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ICE, agency to delay taking any deportation against a certain group of illegal aliens. Officially they are citizens of the country in which they were born. FYI, illegal aliens are citizen of a foreign country, aliens, who are illegally in a country to which they are not a citizen. This can be either someone who has entered the country illegally or who after arriving legally on a visa and have either violated the terms of the visa or have over stayed the after the visa has expired, such as the 911 terrorists.

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Could that be what DACA is about? Obama shipping in a huge democratic voting base for future use (both as a selling point, then as a voting base)?

that has been the point of accepting " illegal immigrants " " undocumented aliens " all along... they were allowed in for 2 reasons ( besides the 'selling point' issue ): 1) to strengthen the Dem voting base 2) to provide cheaper labor for the employers.

None of the law makers for DECADES have given a rats ass how those choices of theirs has effected the people like you and me ... nor the ones TRYING to come here legally, and for the 'dreamers' to be possibly pushed AHEAD of those that have been doing it the right way is plain and simple WRONG.

And in many states the kids ( and others ) were relocated into states and said states were not even allowed to protest the relocation. ( I know Obama did it to us here in NC )

[Geo]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

"Undocumented Americans"

Not sure why you did a cut and paste about "undocumented youth" that's not my question.

My question concerns the post you made about "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA " So I ask again.. "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" are what? Kindly give me a definition of what ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" are.

[Phil B.]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

"Undocumented Americans"

Not sure why you did a cut and paste about "undocumented youth" that's not my question.

My question concerns the post you made about "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA " So I ask again.. "undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" are what? Kindly give me a definition of what ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" are.

1) they ARE NOT citizens.. don't know who came up with that phrase 2) technically they are Criminals. They came here WITHOUT proper entry and stayed past acceptable time frame. ( now IF they had TRIED to go the legal route .. no problemo ) 3) not ALL are the types the media like to portray such as, Military/College Student/Grad.. an asset to society.. Doctor/Lawyer/Indian Chief. And they are being fueled during the protests by Open Society Foundation ( George Soros ).

[Geo]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

No, DACA was an Executive Order issued by President Obama to instruct the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ICE, agency to delay taking any deportation against a certain group of illegal aliens. Officially they are citizens of the country in which they were born. FYI, illegal aliens are citizen of a foreign country, aliens, who are illegally in a country to which they are not a citizen. This can be either someone who has entered the country illegally or who after arriving legally on a visa and have either violated the terms of the visa or have over stayed the after the visa has expired, such as the 911 terrorists.

Yes, I know these things...But my question is about what was referenced by "salesserviceguy" as ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA". What exactly does he consider or define ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" to be?
Is it possible that "DACA" is a new nation, otherwise , how can one be a citizen of "DACA" ?

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

When a young child is transported to the USA by their parents who by various definitions could be called "illegal aliens", it is due to no fault of their own.

A young "illegal alien" child is not in the USA due to any criminal intent on their part.

Years go by, that child gets an education, gets a job and pays taxes. These people are now contributing to US society with useful skills. These people have no memory of living in any other country other than the USA.

This person is now effectively an "undocumented citizen" of the USA of which there are estimated to be over 11 million such people.

Should the Trump Administration attempt to remove these people often referred to as "Dreamers", it would be a monumental task that would be a political nightmare for the White House. How would you practically identify and deport 11 M people and at what cost? And to what benefit?

Across all polling something like 90% of Americans support some sort of amnesty program for the DACA Dreamers.

Until the Nov 2018 mid term elections are resolved, President Trump, would be well advised to punt the artificial March 2018 DACA deadline that he created into 2019.

DACA was created because the President Obama could not reach any compromise with the Republican party of "no". He had to do something with immigration and creating the admittedly imperfect DACA program by executive order was the best that could be accomplished.

From Day 1, President Trump has had a "hate on" for most of the things that President Obama accomplished and DACA is another thing he wants to rescind.

[slimslob]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

Yes, I know these things...But my question is about what was referenced by "salesserviceguy" as ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA". What exactly does he consider or define ""undocumented DACA citizens of the USA" to be?
Is it possible that "DACA" is a new nation, otherwise , how can one be a citizen of "DACA" ?

You have to remember that salesserviceguy is a Canadian. I do not know how much he has studied the US Constitution. "Amendment 14 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." DACA and all other illegal aliens are not citizens of the USA. They were not born here, they have not gone through the naturalization process and by disregarding our immigration laws they have shown that they are not willing to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

[slimslob]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

When a young child is transported to the USA by their parents who by various definitions could be called "illegal aliens", it is due to no fault of their own.

A young "illegal alien" child is not in the USA due to any criminal intent on their part.

Years go by, that child gets an education, gets a job and pays taxes. These people are now contributing to US society with useful skills. These people have no memory of living in any other country other than the USA.

This person is now effectively an "undocumented citizen" of the USA of which there are estimated to be over 11 million such people.

Should the Trump Administration attempt to remove these people often referred to as "Dreamers", it would be a monumental task that would be a political nightmare for the White House. How would you practically identify and deport 11 M people and at what cost? And to what benefit?

Across all polling something like 90% of Americans support some sort of amnesty program for the DACA Dreamers.

Until the Nov 2018 mid term elections are resolved, President Trump, would be well advised to punt the artificial March 2018 DACA deadline that he created into 2019.

DACA was created because the President Obama could not reach any compromise with the Republican party of "no". He had to do something with immigration and creating the admittedly imperfect DACA program by executive order was the best that could be accomplished.

From Day 1, President Trump has had a "hate on" for most of the things that President Obama accomplished and DACA is another thing he wants to rescind.

President Obama himself admitted that he did not have the authority to do DACA but did it anyway. He did not have the authority for many of the Executive Orders he issued. It is those unconstitutional execute orders that President Trump has worked to reverse.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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For maybe 10-20 years, the USA lost control of its southern border. Primarily 11 million Latinos were able to cross the porous southern border with their families and take up long term residence in the United States.

It would be nearly impossible now to deport them all so it would be more reasonable to give these people some sort of path to citizenship.

If you go back and read the entire cut and paste that I posted, it details that this is a very complex topic that simply cannot be resolved when taking hard line positions. There is no simple answer and no magic wand that will make America white again.

[slimslob]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

For maybe 10-20 years, the USA lost control of its southern border. Primarily 11 million Latinos were able to cross the porous southern border with their families and take up long term residence in the United States.

It would be nearly impossible now to deport them all so it would be more reasonable to give these people some sort of path to citizenship.

If you go back and read the entire cut and paste that I posted, it details that this is a very complex topic that simply cannot be resolved when taking hard line positions. There is no simple answer and no magic wand that will make America white again.

During the Reagan Presidency there was an amnesty law passed. The Democrats in Congress promised to fix the border if Reagan signed the amnesty Bill. Once it was signed they promptly forgot that promise. FYI, that was more like 30 years ago.

[bsm2]

Re: Just how Crazy is Donald Trump!

During the Reagan Presidency there was an amnesty law passed. The Democrats in Congress promised to fix the border if Reagan signed the amnesty Bill. Once it was signed they promptly forgot that promise. FYI, that was more like 30 years ago.

WTF dude Blame the Democrats for NO WALL? What happen in the last Fing 30 years with 3 Republican Presidents? NO WALL NO WALL NO WALL
Just WARS.