Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

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  • Copier Addict
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    #241
    Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

    Originally posted by gneebore
    Ah sorry but Donald Trump was a businessman long before he became an entertainment figure. He started in NY real estate in the 70's. And like most successful people he took risks that in some cases caused him to lose money. But still over all a successful businessman. But then with your comment you are looking only at his entertainment endeavors as his claim to fame. And then denigrate him and his followers.

    Actually living and working in the New York and New Jersey area in the mid 70's and early 80's I knew about Donald Trump as a successful real estate developer back then. Several of our techs worked on the office equipment in his businesses.
    Thanks for the unnecessary lesson on Trump.
    My comment was a bit of humour. Treat it as such

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    • gneebore
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      #242
      Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

      Originally posted by copier addict
      Thanks for the unnecessary lesson on Trump.
      My comment was a bit of humour. Treat it as such
      Given your past posts that have shown a disregard towards Trump I figured you might not know anything beyond the entertainment figure that you labelled him. And I will treat your posts as they appear to be instead of attempts at humor.

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      • Copier Addict
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        #243
        Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

        Originally posted by gneebore
        Given your past posts that have shown a disregard towards Trump I figured you might not know anything beyond the entertainment figure that you labelled him. And I will treat your posts as they appear to be instead of attempts at humor.
        That is entirely up to you. If you refuse to smile a little I can't help that.
        Now, please get this thread back to climate change.

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        • SalesServiceGuy
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          #244
          Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

          Global warming is a subset of climate change. The rapid increase of CO2 being released into the atmosphere by human activities is largely absorbed by the oceans. The oceans convert that CO2 into increased sea surface temperatures which causes the creations of stronger and stronger hurricanes which result in climate change.

          The earlier mentioned UN Resolution 30 is more popularly known as the Paris Accord from which the USA was one of the very few participants who recently withdrew. The Paris Accord encompassed many objectives but the primary one was to reduce global CO2 emissions.

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          • gneebore
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            #245
            Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

            Originally posted by copier addict
            That is entirely up to you. If you refuse to smile a little I can't help that.
            Now, please get this thread back to climate change.
            I'll smile when you actually make a joke. The discussion took a slight detour because a kiddie show host was quoted as scientific source on global warming. So we sarcastically referenced his quoted source in his post. And also included in the post referenced was that now human overpopulation is causing global warming. Sorry there are normal cycles of climate conditions that have been recorded over the last hundred plus years. Starting with a reference to the arctic ice cap being so shrunken that someone actually did make a "Northwest Passage" voyage in 1905. I know it was listed. I was the one that originally posted about it. There have also been historic ice ages and historic warm periods. Does man's actions make it worse or accelerate the warming? According to recent records the dire predictions of the late 1990's and up to 2001 have not happened. But then if global warming were such a dire threat then explain the Hudson River freezing over in 2015.

            But let's not forget the other half of the global warming screechers. The exact same pollutants were also the reasons they were claiming we were headed towards another ice age by oh yes right about now.

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            • theengel
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              #246
              Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

              Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
              The Paris Accord encompassed many objectives but the primary one was to reduce global CO2 emissions.
              The only objective of the Paris Accord was to extract money from us and redistribute it to other rich men.

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              • Copier Addict
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                Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                Originally posted by theengel
                The only objective of the Paris Accord was to extract money from us and redistribute it to other rich men.
                Yeah, our governments do such a great job of this, we don't need outside organisations doing it too.

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                • SalesServiceGuy
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                  Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                  Almost 30% of the firefighters in California are inmates who volunteer for the job. Some are women. It has been reported that the high temperatures and low precipitation caused by climate change on the West Coast made this years fires much worse than usual.

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                  • SalesServiceGuy
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                    Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                    Today in Rhode Island, three Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) scientists scheduled to speak were not permitted by their employer to speak at a public event to discuss climate change.

                    The scientists were scheduled to discuss a report on the health of New England's largest estuary. Among the findings in the 500 page report is that climate change is affecting air and water temperatures, precipitation, sea levels and fish.

                    The EPA Administrator Scott Priutt is widely known to reject the scientific consensus on climate change.

                    Scientists from a variety of agencies had been working on the report for years. The report is not a policy document and does not propose policy changes.

                    EPA keeps scientists from speaking about report on climate - ABC News



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                    • Iowatech
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                      #250
                      Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                      That's the theory of evolution for you. Species fail to thrive and become extinct all the time.

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                      • jmaister
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                        #251
                        Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                        Originally posted by gneebore
                        Well taking a stab and looking at the general tone of the earlier post it seems he is implying we need to go back to before the industrial revolution and possibly return to the "hunter gatherer" stage of human existence or subsistence farming where you have you own little plot where you grow your own food and care for your own animals for food and clothing from the hides. Probably around the Bronze age. Oh wait that would mean someone actually had to mine the ore/metal and smelt the metal from the ore. And then form the metal into tools. Ah isn't that the basis of "business?"
                        tho "self" in self sufficient was indeed implied somewhat rudimentary, but I meant "self sufficient" as before vicious business practice and mass production got involved(and I do apologize for my lack of ability to articulate, cant write to save my own life). We are not really utilizing the benefit of said any technology in a good way but rather abusing it to make fast dollars.

                        before we talk climate change, human thinking and practice needs to be looked at. We arent doing things for our own good, and not everyone is on the same page.

                        as for Trump discussion, i thought this is a good video.
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                        • gneebore
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                          #252
                          Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                          Originally posted by jmaister
                          tho "self" in self sufficient was indeed implied somewhat rudimentary, but I meant "self sufficient" as before vicious business practice and mass production got involved(and I do apologize for my lack of ability to articulate, cant write to save my own life). We are not really utilizing the benefit of said any technology in a good way but rather abusing it to make fast dollars.

                          before we talk climate change, human thinking and practice needs to be looked at. We arent doing things for our own good, and not everyone is on the same page.

                          as for Trump discussion, i thought this is a good video.
                          First one tiny bit of glaring error. Without mass production you would not have any of the common day to day necessities at a reasonable price, like for instance light bulbs. We would still be using candles and or oil lamps. But here is an explanation of cost being brought down by mass production.
                          How much did the first light bulb cost? | Reference.com


                          Then there is that horrid mass produced object so vilified as a pollution source no one should own one, the automobile. Back before autos were common we had horse drawn carriages to get around in. Going more than twenty miles to complete any sort of commercial or personal business was a day long outing. Then in the case of cities, like New York there was the need to clean up after the horses. Horse dung was a major source or debris in the streets of Manhatten in the late 1800's. Or to add to the discussion if mass production was not used then then there more than likely be no auto in any sort of price range that anyone other than the top one percent would be able to afford. Yes if Henry Ford had not introduced the assembly line to manufacture auto the average price of an auto was 3,000 dollars when the average wage earned was 500 dollars a year. But then that would suit the environmentalist leftist mantra that the evil rich are to blame for the lack of basic transportation for the working man.

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                          • jimmcgee
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                            #253
                            Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                            I don't have to believe, the proof is overwhelming. John Coleman sounds more like a snake oil salesman than a scientist. Renewable energy will overtake fossil fuels regardless of how much money the oil and coal industry throws at discrediting it because it is more efficient and cheaper. I predict that by the end of the century electricity will be almost free as renewables and fusion take over. These are the disruptive technologies that the miners are afraid of.

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                            • jimmcgee
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                              #254
                              Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                              Using renewables is not going backwards to the stone age, it is technology moving forwards. It is self evident when you see a gas powered vehicle chugging down the road expelling all sorts of pollutants into the air. Soon after an electric vehicle hums by running on sunlight. You tell me, which is the future?

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                              • gneebore
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                                #255
                                Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

                                Originally posted by jimmcgee
                                Using renewables is not going backwards to the stone age, it is technology moving forwards. It is self evident when you see a gas powered vehicle chugging down the road expelling all sorts of pollutants into the air. Soon after an electric vehicle hums by running on sunlight. You tell me, which is the future?
                                Probably not all electric. Unless they actually develop one that can go further than an estimated forty miles before requiring a recharge. Plus the problem with the batteries. Right now the lithium used in the batteries is one of the most toxic wastes found. Almost as bad as the CFL light bulbs that have to be mailed back to a recycling center because of the mercury used in them. The replacement batteries of most ev's cost about a fourth to one third the cost of the car and that is every 75 to 100 k miles according to most car websites. Plus the cost of the cars themselves. One service tech that I know of had a Prius hybrid. His car hit the 100 k mileage mark and the batteries had to be replaced. Cost four years ago was 6,000 dollars and a recycling fee. He also bragged how great his per miles was around town. But too bad for him most of the driving he ended up doing was highway miles and then he ended up with less miles per gallon than I got on my gas powered Saturn. Yes it still actually gets 29 mpg around town and then close to 34 mpg on the road. The Prius got 30 mpg around town and less than 25 mpg on the road at highway speed limits.

                                Oh yes there is also the power required for recharging the electric vehicles, Most owners now use their home recharging units at night during off peak electricity. And these can take all night to recharge a depleted battery using 110 volts and normal housing electrical wiring. However there are estimated recharging requirements for some currently sold vehicles that require 19 kilowatts which is enough to power one residential sized home. There is no foreseeable increase in electric vehicle range per charge, still 35 to maybe 50 miles for the majority of the cars. Just imagine the electrical grid that has to be built to power all the charging stations for just a tenth of the estimated 260 million vehicles on the road now that are gasoline powered.

                                Here is an actually study by the Energy Department on recharging possibilities in 2014.

                                The discussion around grid modernization and the transition to cleaner energy systems is continually progressing, which is why we’ve developed resources and a podcast to help you stay informed.

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