Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

[Copier Addict]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

What does Co2 levels in the age of dinosaurs have to do with your premise? It is a well documented fact that Co2 levels rise AFTER a period o global warming rather than before. The reference to the climate in the age of the dinosaurs was to illustrate that they lived in a climate much warmer then we have today and that the global climate is always changing. You also just conveniently ignore my question of how many joules of energy man introduces to the environment as opposed to the sun! In case you do not know the definition of a joule, A unit of energy equal to the work done when a force of one newton acts through a distance of one meter. It is the basic definition of energy. Without this basic input how do you claim that man is creating global warming? Scientifically you cannot! Why do you also ignore the fact that of over 10,000 papers published by scientists on the climate only 30% of the climatologists had a definitive position on the cause of warming and only 97% of those said it was because of man. If you do the math, 2,910 papers say man is the cause, 29% not your 97% "consensus" number, while 71% cannot on a scientific basis attribute the changes to man's interaction with the environment. "Chicken Little" alarmist does not apply here, facts do.

Wow!! Over react much? I think you have me confused with someone else. I just thought it was interesting that the CO2 levels during the time of the dinosaurs was higher than now. You asked in your post how the warmer climate could be explained, so I posted the link as a possible explanation. I haven't said anything about about 97% of anything, or the number of joules produced by anything.
Oh, and thanks for the definition of a joule. Much appreciated. I will try to use it in a sentence today.

[theengel]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

TO ALL:

I've seen this happen like three times in this discussion, and several times in other discussions... confusing one man for another.

copier addict IS NOT SalesServiceGuy

I know they're both from Canada, but they're not the same person.

SalesServiceGuy is an extreme leftist who makes odd claims, via cut and paste. He sometimes starts a discussion in his own words, but from that point on he simply uses other people's words. He discusses almost nothing. And he likes to go to Cuba and spit on poor people.

copier addict also leans left, but generally is open to honest discussion and doesn't insult people's intelligence via cntrl V command.

But over and over again, I see people jump down copier addict's throat for things SalesServiceGuy says. I think I've done it myself once. Not sure why that happens.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

Climate change is a complex topic with may sub categories to consider.

It is not practical to type out long responses on this forum so that is why links to pertinent websites are provided.

Fundamentally, climate change is going to be very expensive to bring under control and it easier to deny the published reports of the majority of climate scientists around the world than to take real action.

Of the 32 votes placed so far on the Global warming poll generously created by ZooTech, 5 people (16%) voted that it is not happening.

[gneebore]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

Allowing hatred to rule give rise to cowardly groups like the KKK and white supremacists.

And the antifa, and BLM and other left wing groups too. So according to the new law anyone making a speech rejecting the latest right is hate speech. And under the new Canadian laws if when I had referred to the required purchasing of sex change coverage in the ACA I could now be charged with a hate crime. Just from the simple fact that expressing disappointment with being forced to pay extra insurance costs to cover elective surgery.

[gneebore]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

Okay. So, it is wrong to hate people. Seems like the Christian way to lead ones life. It is the way I try to live. You?

The point about the quote is not actually hating someone. But referring to someone as their gender at birth versus what they now self identify as is now considered a hate crime.

[Copier Addict]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

The point about the quote is not actually hating someone. But referring to someone as their gender at birth versus what they now self identify as is now considered a hate crime.

Let's say, just for an example, you have transitioned from male to female. I refer to you as male once , you correct me, but I continue to purposely refer to you as male just to make the point that I don't agree that you are now female. I'm making it about me, instead of it being about you. My personal biases should have no part in whether you identify as male or female. Is it hate? I'm not sure. Is it deliberately hurtful and disrespectful? Absolutely!!

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

... the discussion is about man's effect on Climate Change.

[theengel]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

Discussions tend to veer.

I had made a claim that Canadians aren't really free to say what they want, and that's why some of them (one of them) constantly posts what others think and publish instead of making arguments. That point was countered, which was countered, and countered again.

copier addict is eloquently proving my point. Since it hurts someone's feelings, it should be illegal. A lack of free speech is what we'd call it down here.

[slimslob]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

Discussions tend to veer.

I had made a claim that Canadians aren't really free to say what they want, and that's why some of them (one of them) constantly posts what others think and publish instead of making arguments. That point was countered, which was countered, and countered again.

copier addict is eloquently proving my point. Since it hurts someone's feelings, it should be illegal. A lack of free speech is what we'd call it down here.

More proof to your point. MPs pass M-103 Thursday even as new poll says most Canadians would vote down anti-Islamophobia motion | National Post

[TheBlueOrleans]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

And the antifa, and BLM and other left wing groups too. So according to the new law anyone making a speech rejecting the latest right is hate speech. And under the new Canadian laws if when I had referred to the required purchasing of sex change coverage in the ACA I could now be charged with a hate crime. Just from the simple fact that expressing disappointment with being forced to pay extra insurance costs to cover elective surgery.

When expressing an opinion is a criminal offense there is not long to go before certain people themselves, by virtue of their opinion, or the way they vote, or the color of clothing they choose to wear, or their education level, or their income level will render their very existence to be a criminal offense. And we know where that leads. Crimethink. "Offenders" will be silenced, in one way or another.

Never thought I'd actually see this happening.

[Geo]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

When expressing an opinion is a criminal offense there is not long to go before certain people themselves, by virtue of their opinion, or the way they vote, or the color of clothing they choose to wear, or their education level, or their income level will render their very existence to be a criminal offense. And we know where that leads. Crimethink. "Offenders" will be silenced, in one way or another.

Never thought I'd actually see this happening.

Calls by various groups and politicians have called for criminal charges and penalties against "climate change" skeptics and those that question the science and methodology ... Reminds me of the flat earth people and the earth being the center of the universe...In both cases this was settled science.......Very scary times we are living in.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

More proof to your point. MPs pass M-103 Thursday even as new poll says most Canadians would vote down anti-Islamophobia motion | National Post

A motion is not a law. You are making false statements about something that was discussed but has not happened and has very little chance of happening given Canada's highly integrated multi cultural political system that invites immigrants.

I suggest you move this discussion to the political thread "Just how crazy is Donald Trump?"

[Copier Addict]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

More proof to your point. MPs pass M-103 Thursday even as new poll says most Canadians would vote down anti-Islamophobia motion | National Post

As stated many times, a "motion" is NOT a law. It is simply a suggestion. It has no teeth and is not enforceable.

[slimslob]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

A motion is not a law. You are making false statements about something that was discussed but has not happened and has very little chance of happening given Canada's highly integrated multi cultural political system that invites immigrants.

I suggest you move this discussion to the political thread "Just how crazy is Donald Trump?"

As stated many times, a "motion" is NOT a law. It is simply a suggestion. It has no teeth and is not enforceable.

From your responses, you apparently have not read more than the headline. It is more than just a suggestion. The "motion" has already passed the House of Commons by a vote of 201 for and 91 against. It is already on it way to becoming law. When are you going to get it into your heads that free speech does not exist in Canada. Or are you afraid of admitting it and finding yourselves in trouble with the Canadian law.

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make other than distract this thread away from Climate Change.

A motion is not a law and this motion proposed by a rookie member of Parliament has no chance of becoming a law.