25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

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  • FrohnB
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    Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

    Originally posted by bsm2
    Trump tariffs are set to cost U.S. households $2,000 in 2020, research group finds

    Depending on where you read, that number is different. I've seen $600 - $1000 per year per household presently, and expected to climb to $1,200 - 1,500 in 2020.

    I've also seen $1,000.00 - 1,500 presently, up to $2,000 - 3,600 in 2020. A lot of this based on "Threatened tariffs and Estimations".

    Regardless of what it costs, it needed to be done. And most Americans won't notice the tariffs in everyday life. They will still buy their coffee at 80 cents more than it was, they will still buy the shoes that now cost $5 more, they will still buy the phones that cost an extra $20 and so on without even flinching. We've been pushed around by the global economic/ trade community for far too long, and we're finally standing up and saying "Enough is enough, we won't be screwed over any longer!".

    MAGA
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    • SalesServiceGuy
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      Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

      Kyocera USA is forced to announce price increases on Oct 01 due to China USA trade war.

      Kyocera is actively working to relocate Chinese A3 copier manufacturing capability destined for the USA to Vietnam.



      September 03, 2019

      To our Valued Kyocera Dealer Partners,

      We wish to extend our appreciation for your daily support and promotion of the Kyocera and Copystar products. Through your commitment and loyalty, Kyocera continues to increase market share and experience positive sales growth across our product segments.

      As many of you are aware, the U.S. Government recently announced that it will apply a 15% tariff on a broad list of goods manufactured in China effective September 1, 2019. These tariffs, along with the ones previously enacted in July of 2018, effectively cover all our products manufactured in China. Specifically, the tariffs imposed in 2018 applied mainly to our maintenance kits. The new tariffs apply to our toner, MFPs, printers and accessories. To date, we have done our best to absorb the additional costs, but the cumulative nature of these new tariffs will affect our cost of goods in the future.

      Based on our inventory levels, we have enough inventory in our U.S. warehouses to fulfill all anticipated orders in the month of September. However, we do not have enough inventory to cover your orders for the month of October and onward. This means, that all inventory we import from China from and after September will be subject to the tariffs.

      Accordingly, although we will try to absorb as much of these new costs as we can, we must continue to evaluate the situation to determine if additional action is necessary, including the possibility of a price increase on our products. As always, we will continue to try to maintain competitive prices and to bring you the same quality products and services. We appreciate your understanding during these ever-changing times and will continue to keep you advised.

      Sincerely,


      Ed Bialecki
      Senior Vice President, Sales

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      • Hansen88
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        Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

        Awesome news! I hope more and more companies move their operations out of china.

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        • bsm2
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          Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

          Originally posted by Hansen88
          Awesome news! I hope more and more companies move their operations out of china.
          Moving plants from China DOES NOTHING for the US. Moving to a cheaper foreign country only produces high profits for the manufacturer. ZERO jobs for US.
          The only way to move plants back to the US is to require 50% or more parts made in the USA be put into whatever they make. Until then China will just wait out the polices of the TRUMP administration or figure out a way to get around the trade tariffs.

          Guess WHO pays for the Tariffs YEP YOU DO!

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          • Hansen88
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            Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

            I doubt wherever Kyocera is going to be made,it was not going to be the US anyway, China Is screwing the US so I am glad to see companies moving somewhere else. Even when I buy American I am not really buying American. I have a Dodge ram van. It has Fiat stamped all over the place but fiat has it made in turkey. I liked the good old days when I could buy a American product that was made by Americans.

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            • bsm2
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              Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

              Hundreds of Chinese goods exempted from Trump's tariffs

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              • kingpd@businessprints.net
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                #97
                Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                What is the point of the tariffs if everything gets excluded???

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                • SalesServiceGuy
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                  Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                  473 product types of many thousands imported into the USA from China are excluded from tariffs totalling roughly 13% of $250B = $32.5B.

                  Many of these product types like Xmas lights are selected to reduce the impact on US consumers during the critical Xmas shopping season.

                  The U.S. has exempted another 437 types of products from China from the tariffs Washington had previously threatened to impose on them, in the latest sign that the combatants in the Sino-American trade war are perhaps becoming gun-shy.



                  The products run the gamut from consumer products such as lamp shades, Christmas lights, coffee filters, dog leashes and bicycles to industrial products such as electric motors and generators, all the way to highly sophisticated technology components such as ultrasonic scanners and MRI parts.

                  According to Chinese media outlet CCTV, the entire list covers about one-eighth — or less than 13 per cent — of the original list of $250 billion worth of Chinese goods that Trump had targeted in his trade war earlier this year.

                  The US Trade Relations documents make it clear, however, that the exemptions are not permanent, which leaves the door open to reimposing them later on.

                  Copiers, printers, parts and consumables are not excluded.

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                  • SalesServiceGuy
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                    Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                    Multiple sources indicate an 8% price increase on all Kyocera copiers and accessories effective Oct 01 due to USA tariffs. Dealers who have the financial ability are stocking up in Sept.

                    There is fresh talk of price increases at Ricoh, Xerox and HP.

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                    • kingpd@businessprints.net
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                      Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                      Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                      Multiple sources indicate an 8% price increase on all Kyocera copiers and accessories effective Oct 01 due to USA tariffs. Dealers who have the financial ability are stocking up in Sept.

                      There is fresh talk of price increases at Ricoh, Xerox and HP.
                      You know what the funny thing or real harm will be? When the tariffs get removed the price increases won't drop. It's like those fuel surcharges from ups/fedex...when oil/gas plummeted they didn't remove or even reduce the surcharges. Once a cost goes up, they keep it.

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                      • SalesServiceGuy
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                        Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                        ... regardless of dealer costs going up or down, fundamental long term changes have now been started for copier/printer manufacturers to diversify their manufacturing facilities out of China into other Asian countries to minimize the risk of future tariffs.

                        China will have lost this part of their economy forever. The USA will not see any big benefit.

                        China now has the world's highest Debt to Gross Domestic Product ratio in the world at 303%. China now owes 3x more money than every man, women and child in China produces in a year! China claims the debt risks are manageable but future growth and spending could very well soon hit a wall as their economy slows during the trade war.

                        China's debt tops 300% of GDP, now 15% of global total: IIF - Reuters

                        It is also well documented that official Chinese economic statistics are falsely overstated by upwards of 2% per year.

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                        • bsm2
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                          Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

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                          • bsm2
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                            Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                            U.S. Slaps Higher Tariffs on French Wine, Italian Cheese, and Scotch Whiskey

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                            • lazymangr
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                              Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                              imho i dont think that cheap products made in china for big companies are a china problem. they tell to the chineese factories what to build in what quality. they can make the same crap even if the factories are in the U.S. just the cost of labor is cheaper. if you tell the factory to build something good they will make it good. if you tell them to make it crap they will make it crap.that total cost of tariffs will be paid by us customers.
                              they will still drink scotch and eat parmesan because america cant make scotch and parmesan but you just pay for it higher.

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                              • Hansen88
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                                Re: 25% Copier/ Printers Tariffs in the USA begin Friday May 10 2019 12:01 AM.

                                Originally posted by lazymangr
                                imho i dont think that cheap products made in china for big companies are a china problem. they tell to the chineese factories what to build in what quality. they can make the same crap even if the factories are in the U.S. just the cost of labor is cheaper. if you tell the factory to build something good they will make it good. if you tell them to make it crap they will make it crap.that total cost of tariffs will be paid by us customers.
                                they will still drink scotch and eat parmesan because america cant make scotch and parmesan but you just pay for it higher.
                                I agree it is the American companies fault mainly for having their products made in china. They dont care anything about the american worker but they keep getting bigger and bigger paychecks and bonus checks. Then they complain they cant pay the workers any more money. Then that is all lots of people can afford is junk from china.

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