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  • Copier Addict
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    #5851
    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

    Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
    This guy must have been influenced by Trump, too, huh?





    Jamaican Olympic sprinter Yohan Blake is now saying he would rather miss the Tokyo Games than get the vaccine for COVID-19. According to current Olympic guidelines, they are NOT requiring participants to get vaccinated, but Blake wanted them to know where he stood anyway.

    It is everybody's right to choose whether or not to be vaccinated.

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    • BillyCarpenter
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      #5852
      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

      Originally posted by copier addict
      It is everybody's right to choose whether or not to be vaccinated.




      Mandatory vaccinations: The Canadian picture

      Erin Walkinshaw

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      As might be expected in Canada, vaccination policies are as diverse as the geogra-high immunization rates by educating their populations about the benefits of vaccines. Just three have legislated vaccination policies, applying strictly to children about to enrol in school. Ontario and New Brunswick require immunization for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization, while Manitoba requires a measles vaccination.


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      • Copier Addict
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        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
        Mandatory vaccinations: The Canadian picture

        Erin Walkinshaw

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        As might be expected in Canada, vaccination policies are as diverse as the geogra-high immunization rates by educating their populations about the benefits of vaccines. Just three have legislated vaccination policies, applying strictly to children about to enrol in school. Ontario and New Brunswick require immunization for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella immunization, while Manitoba requires a measles vaccination.


        Those are all corona viruses?? Wow, I was not aware. Thanks for cleaning that up for all of us bigdog. LOL. Another laugh.

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        • BillyCarpenter
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          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

          Originally posted by copier addict
          Those are all corona viruses?? Wow, I was not aware. Thanks for cleaning that up for all of us bigdog. LOL. Another laugh.

          You said vaccines should be voluntary? Are you saying the Covid isn't deadly enough to make it mandatory? You never answer with a straight answer because well...let's just leave it at that. I don't want to call you out of your name tonight. I'll have mercy on you.
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          • Copier Addict
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            Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
            You said vaccines should be voluntary? Are you saying the Covid isn't deadly enough to make it mandatory? You never answer with a straight answer because well...let's just leave it at that. I don't want to call you out of your name tonight. I'll have mercy on you.
            "Call me out to my name" ? What does that even mean? And what exactly does it have to do with mercy? You're losing it bigdog. Since everyone knows this thread is about the corona virus I'll just leave it there.

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            • Phil B.
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              #5856
              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
              You said vaccines should be voluntary? Are you saying the Covid isn't deadly enough to make it mandatory? You never answer with a straight answer because well...let's just leave it at that. I don't want to call you out of your name tonight. I'll have mercy on you.
              No I will not ANOTHER mandatory vaccine.

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              • slimslob
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                #5857
                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                Originally posted by copier addict
                Those are all corona viruses?? Wow, I was not aware. Thanks for cleaning that up for all of us bigdog. LOL. Another laugh.
                There are seven corona viruses that are known to infect humans. There are the 3 pandemic one SARS, MERS and CARS-CoV-2. Then you have the ones that are frequently diagnosed as a common cold, 229E, OC43, NL63 and HKU1. Coronavirus | Human Coronavirus Types | CDC

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                • Tricky
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                  #5858
                  Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                  Originally posted by copier addict
                  It is everybody's right to choose whether or not to be vaccinated.

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                  • SalesServiceGuy
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                    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                    Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                    My daughter, the young nurse, rec'd her Pfizer vaccine today. Because the vaccine is stored at extremely low temperatures, it has to be first diluted with saline at room temperature before it can be injected into your body. Afterwards she had a mild headache for a few hours and felt very tired. The injection itself was painless.

                    The Doctor informed her that she will not be fully immune from COVID-19 until at least six months pass by.
                    Re my daughter, the young nurse, who rec'd her first Pfizer vaccine yesterday:

                    1). Was given the opportunity to refuse to be injected with the vaccine.
                    2). Rec'd a digital passport from the Nova Scotia Dept of Heath proving to anyone who might enquire the date that she rec'd the vaccine.

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                    • BillyCarpenter
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                      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                      Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                      Re my daughter, the young nurse, who rec'd her first Pfizer vaccine yesterday:

                      1). Was given the opportunity to refuse to be injected with the vaccine.
                      2). Rec'd a digital passport from the Nova Scotia Dept of Heath proving to anyone who might enquire the date that she rec'd the vaccine.

                      Weren't you telling me a while back that if folks refused the vaccine that basically they'd be shut out of the economy....among other things?
                      Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                      • SalesServiceGuy
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                        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                        Weren't you telling me a while back that if folks refused the vaccine that basically they'd be shut out of the economy....among other things?

                        ... the ethics and legality of COVID-19 vaccinations is still evolving in Canada.

                        Can employers require employees to take a COVID vaccine? | Canadian Lawyer


                        Employment lawyer Ryan Watkins says question is ‘hot topic of the day’ from clients

                        16 Dec 2020


                        As seniors and frontline health-care workers begin the largest mass vaccination in Canadian history, many of Ryan Watkins’ clients are asking if they can require their employees to be immunized against COVID.

                        The answer is a qualified yes. Watkins says employer’s must start with the premise that under the Occupational Health and Safety Act, they have a duty to protect their workers.

                        “With a highly contagious virus that has caused a global pandemic, if there's an antidote, employers are within their rights to require employees to take it to keep the rest of the workforce safe,” says Watkins, partner at Whitten & Lublin Employment Lawyers, in Toronto.

                        In some contexts, the argument in favour of employers requiring a vaccine is even stronger. In retail, where workers interact with the public, or long-term-care homes, where they deal with a vulnerable population, if an employee refuses to take the vaccine, their bosses would be within their rights to dismiss that employee without cause, he says.

                        The exception is where an employee has a credible human rights claim, says Watkins. An employee may object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds, or because they have an allergy or other medical condition. While the employer has the right to ask questions and verify the claim, a bona fide human-rights issue will trump the employer’s interest in protecting the health and safety of the workplace through mandatory vaccination, says Watkins.

                        The COVID vaccines are a solution to the grave risks currently faced by Canadian employers if the virus spreads in their workplace, said employment and labour lawyer Howard Levitt, at a recent Canadian Lawyer Magazine webinar.

                        There is a $10-million fine for COVID carelessness under the Ontario Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act. If employers fail to keep the workplace sufficiently safe and in compliance with the relevant standard of care – currently the prescription of public health authorities – employers also face the “well-trodden action for negligence,” said Levitt, senior partner at Levitt Sheikh Chaudhri Swann Employment + Labour Law.


                        “Any one of these negligence actions for death, and maybe proximate deaths of family members who then end up dying or getting permanently immunocompromised, can bankrupt a lot of Canadian companies,” he said.
                        And while there is a “clear conflict” between privacy rights and workplace safety, throughout the pandemic the law has consistently leaned toward safety, said Levitt.


                        “Yes, there will be fact-based distinctions in every given circumstance,” he said. But given the huge potential penalties, multiple pieces of safety legislation and the views of public health authorities establishing duty of care, it is clear the courts will make refusing a mandatory vaccine cause for discharge, said Levitt. He added the two exceptions will be human rights exemptions for religion and disability.

                        Christopher Munroe, a labour, employment and human rights lawyer with Roper Greyell LLP, told Canadian Lawyer the question of mandatory workplace vaccinations is “very much a live issue with very good arguments on both sides.”


                        “To most of us, who believe in science, we’re probably not too concerned about it,” says Munroe, who practises in Vancouver. “But fundamentally, you’re asking someone to make a pretty personal decision about their body and what they want to do with it, and that’s difficult because it engages privacy concerns. And those privacy issues are closely guarded. Particularly by arbitrators in a unionized setting.”

                        The issue has arisen with seasonal and annual flue vaccines, says Munroe. Arbitrators and courts have found the requirement is unreasonable, but he adds that COVID is much more deadly and contagious than the flu. Munroe expects a distinction between union and non-union environments will emerge, with non-union workplaces more easily imposing mandatory vaccinations.

                        “But I expect if it’s going to be allowed, it will only be for a very narrow subset of employees who are dealing with vulnerable populations in a healthcare-type setting,” he says.

                        Munroe doubts an employee refusing a “general requirement” to get vaccinated will amount to just cause. But employers will likely be able to fire an employee without cause, he says. “And I’m not sure what the employee would do about that. I don’t think there would be any special cause of action.”

                        “I think a lot of employers are probably going to get away with the requirement. But if challenged, I’m not sure courts are going to say that it amounts to just cause,” he says.

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                        • BillyCarpenter
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                          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                          Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                          ... the ethics and legality of COVID-19 vaccinations is still evolving in Canada.


                          Does "evolving" mean that Canada is trying to figure out a way to force folks to get the vaccine whether by law or thru the private sector? I'd say so....
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                          • SalesServiceGuy
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                            #5863
                            Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                            Does "evolving" mean that Canada is trying to figure out a way to force folks to get the vaccine whether by law or thru the private sector? I'd say so....
                            ... most Canadian employers, especially non unionized, have the right to require an employee to get a COVID-19 vaccine as a condition of employment.

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                            • BillyCarpenter
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                              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                              Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                              ... most Canadian employers, especially non unionized, have the right to require an employee to get a COVID-19 vaccine as a condition of employment.

                              But, your daughter, who is a healthcare worker, was free to object to taking the vaccine and there were no consequences? Is that what you're saying because you left that part out.
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                              • SalesServiceGuy
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                                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                                But, your daughter, who is a healthcare worker, was free to object to taking the vaccine and there were no consequences? Is that what you're saying because you left that part out.
                                ... I did not say there was no consequences. She would get less shifts assigned to her.

                                The immediate concern is to get 14,000 local healthcare workers quickly vaccinated.

                                Three months from now her supervisor would review her employment contract and tell her her options.

                                All nurses believe in medical science so not taking the vaccine was never a consideration for her. In fact, she looked forward to it.

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