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  • Copier Addict
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    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

    Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
    Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in February 2020 that store-bought face masks would not be very effective at protecting against the COVID-19 pandemic and advised a traveler not to wear one.


    The Washington Post and BuzzFeed News have obtained hundreds of pages of Fauci's emails through the Freedom of Information Act, revealing more about the early days of the pandemic.


    In one message, Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, replies to an email from Sylvia Burwell, believed to be the Sylvia Burwell who was health and human services secretary for three years under President Barack Obama. Burwell had asked for advice about wearing face masks while traveling. Fauci's reply is dated February 5, 2020, and is available in a document cloud provided by Buzzfeed.


    Fauci wrote: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.


    "The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you."


    He added: "I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a very low risk location."


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    Fauci has previously been criticized for changing his position on masks. Early on in the pandemic, he advised against wearing face coverings, but that advice evolved over time.





    The CDC recommended that people wear face coverings "in public settings when around people outside their household, especially when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain."


    The changes were made as more information about COVID-19 became available during the pandemic. Fauci has since encouraged mask-wearing in line with the CDC advice. He told NBC News on January 25 that wearing two masks was "common sense."


    "So, if you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective," he said. "That's the reason why you see people either double masking or doing a version of an N95 [respirator]."


    The CDC guidelines were recently updated to say that fully vaccinated people could go without masks in most indoor and outdoor situations, but Fauci has warned that this does not mean everyone can take off their masks yet.


    "It is not a mandate to take your mask off," Fauci told the Pod Save America podcast on May 18.


    Newsweek has asked the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for comment.


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    There you go.
    What you see there is a learning process. Not lies. Thanks for that Billy. I hope it didn't hurt too much

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    • BillyCarpenter
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      #8567
      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

      Originally posted by copier addict
      There you go.
      What you see there is a learning process. Not lies. Thanks for that Billy. I hope it didn't hurt too much

      First things first. There shouldn't have been a learning curve on masks. How in the hell is the foremost expert on air born disease unsure about masks? It's not fucking rocket science. What have they been doing all these years? I'd like to think they did some testing on what masks can keep out and what they can't. C'mon, man.



      As far as the lie? Fauci said that he lied about masks because he feared folks would buy up all the M95 masks and doctors and nurses wouldn't have any. Unacceptable to me.
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      • Copier Addict
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        #8568
        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
        First things first. There shouldn't have been a learning curve on masks. How in the hell is the foremost expert on air born disease unsure about masks? It's not fucking rocket science. What have they been doing all these years? I'd like to think they did some testing on what masks can keep out and what they can't. C'mon, man.



        As far as the lie? Fauci said that he lied about masks because he feared folks would buy up all the M95 masks and doctors and nurses wouldn't have any. Unacceptable to me.

        How do you feel about trump deliberately lying about how serious the virus was? That seems much worse to me.

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        • BillyCarpenter
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          #8569
          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

          Originally posted by copier addict
          How do you feel about trump deliberately lying about how serious the virus was? That seems much worse to me.

          Stick to the subject
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          • slimslob
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            #8570
            Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
            Fauci said that he lied about masks because he feared folks would buy up all the M95 masks and doctors and nurses wouldn't have any.
            But N95 masks were not what he said would not work. In telling people that the store-bought face masks would not be very effective, was he therefore telling them to go out and buy the more expensive N95 masks?

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            • BillyCarpenter
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              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

              Originally posted by slimslob
              But N95 masks were not what he said would not work. In telling people that the store-bought face masks would not be very effective, was he therefore telling them to go out and buy the more expensive N95 masks?


              Beats the hell out of me, slim. I don't know why liberals are so hell bent on defending Fauci but his handling of covid should scare everyone.
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              • Copier Addict
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                #8572
                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                Stick to the subject

                The subject is lying about the pandemic. Answer the question!

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                • BillyCarpenter
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                  Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                  Originally posted by copier addict
                  The subject is lying about the pandemic. Answer the question!

                  Not until you admit that I was right and you were wrong about Fauci lying.
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                  • Copier Addict
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                    #8574
                    Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                    Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                    Beats the hell out of me, slim. I don't know why liberals are so hell bent on defending Fauci but his handling of covid should scare everyone.

                    What should scare you is the "leader" of a country intentionally lying about the seriousness of a deadly pandemic and putting millions of people is danger.

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                    • Copier Addict
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                      Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                      Not until you admit that I was right and you were wrong about Fauci lying.

                      I don't give a rat's ass about Fauci, but I don't believe he deliberately lied about masks. He did misinform people based on the information he had at the time.

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                      • BillyCarpenter
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                        #8576
                        Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                        Originally posted by copier addict
                        I don't give a rat's ass about Fauci, but I don't believe he deliberately lied about masks. He did misinform people based on the information he had at the time.


                        Let me know when you can admit the truth. Until then, we'll see ya around the horn.
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                        • Copier Addict
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                          #8577
                          Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                          Let me know when you can admit the truth. Until then, we'll see ya around the horn.

                          It must be very difficult admitting that your idol (trump) deliberately lied about how deadly the pandemic was.

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                          • bsm2
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                            Carnival Cruise Line Adds Insurance Requirement for Florida Departures
                            Carnival Cruise Line updates its protocols with a travel insurance requirement for unvaccinated guests o departing from Florida from July 31, 2021.

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                            • bsm2
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                              #8579
                              Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                              First things first. There shouldn't have been a learning curve on masks. How in the hell is the foremost expert on air born disease unsure about masks? It's not fucking rocket science. What have they been doing all these years? I'd like to think they did some testing on what masks can keep out and what they can't. C'mon, man.



                              As far as the lie? Fauci said that he lied about masks because he feared folks would buy up all the M95 masks and doctors and nurses wouldn't have any. Unacceptable to me.
                              The data changed and Dr Fauci changed the recommendation. You didn't wear one even when recommended. So stop your whining

                              Good News masks are cheap now stock up considering your States vaccinated record sucks.

                              Better than the Failed one term impeached Guy remember just like the flu, gone by easter , one person from china, inject lysol etc....
                              Last edited by bsm2; 07-09-2021, 08:39 PM.

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                              • FrohnB
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                                #8580
                                Re: Latest on the Corona Virus

                                Originally posted by bsm2
                                The data changed and Dr Fauci changed the recommendation. You didn't wear one even when recommended. So stop your whining
                                The data on masks has never changed!
                                You'd be a fool to think so.

                                Many studies have been carried out in the past with regard to masks and the influenza virus, and ALL of the studies found the same result of Masks being ineffective at stopping the passage of the Flu Virus. And as we all know, the Flu virus is 2 - 3 times Larger than the coronavirus. With that being said, and with a little common sense, you can decipher that masks will have NO EFFECT on the Chinese Coronavirus, and that has only been further proven by the data coming out recently, that spread of the virus was virtually the same in states that had mask mandates as states that didn't.

                                So, we can conclude that Fauci was Flat-out lying about masks!
                                If he was really any kind of "expert", he would simply have to look at all the studies that have been done (some by his institute even!), and he would have been able to make the easy determination that masks would be useless against such a small virus.

                                Coronavirus = 40nm - 120nm
                                N95 masks block out particles that are around 300nm.

                                Easy conclusion......N95 won't stop the coronavirus! Period!


                                https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/2/08-1167_article - CDC study from 2009 that found masks to be ineffective at stopping respiratory viruses.

                                Can surgical masks protect you from getting the flu?
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