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  • BillyCarpenter
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    #16
    Originally posted by slimslob

    I have seen all sorts of power horrors and some of them in new construction.
    • Brand new building. Electrician failed to connect the ground/neutral bus of a breaker panel on the second floor to the actual ground. In effect they had the equivalent of 240 differential between L1 and L2. Difference in current loads of devices between the 2 legs resulted in resulted in the power supplies being blown on a dozen new Olivetti typewriters we had just sold a law office
    • New wind on a doctor's office. Electrical installer swapped one of the hot legs with the stinger. Smoked 5 or 6 desktop dictation machines. Luckily it only took the builtin surge suppression devices which I was able to replace.
    In the past, you've posted some pretty good war stories as it pertains to office equipment. Stay in it long enough, you'll see a lot of shit.
    Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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    • Rusty.Harris
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      #17
      Had one back around 98, machine was "freaking out". Had floating ground (new building). The had someone come check and the ground rod was only in the ground about 18 inches
      and even that, it was mostly rock. After they placed the GROUND rod into the GROUND, not only did their copier start working correctly, but other things in their office that was acting
      up once in a while started working. Go figure.

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      • bsm2
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        #18
        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

        I've never seen anyone with this much confidence that has no idea what he's talking about. If you could read, he said the machine wasn't on a dedicated circuit. Are you with me? Keep following.

        In a situation like this, the end goal isn't to locate every outlet on the same circuit. No, the goal is to find the device that is "plugged in" and causing the overload., Still with me? Good.

        So, what if the device isn't plugged in? And even if it is plugged in, how do you know which device is overloading the circuit., I could give you the answer, but I'll let you tell us.
        Yep you can't fix stupid You proven it.
        Everyday

        65 ppm copier 20amp machine needs a decated line

        Apparently reading machine specifications isn't in your wheel house.
        Wipe and other customers PCs lately?

        Get some training from Kyocera it's free online

        The tech solution was correct and brought in a qualified electrical contractor to troubleshoot the issue.

        Great Job

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        • BillyCarpenter
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          #19
          Originally posted by bsm2

          Yep you can't fix stupid You proven it.
          Everyday

          65 ppm copier 20amp machine needs a decated line

          Apparently reading machine specifications isn't in your wheel house.
          Wipe and other customers PCs lately?

          Get some training from Kyocera it's free online

          The tech solution was correct and brought in a qualified electrical contractor to troubleshoot the issue.

          Great Job
          What it needs and reality are 2 different things. I'm going by the information given and that's all I have. The OP indicated it wasn't a dedicated line even though its suppose to be. He also indicated he thought it might be a space heater overloading the circuit because it started when the weather got cold.

          Anyway, for the scenario given, you had it all wrong. Carry on.


          PS - A high voltage reading between N and G normally means that the N wire isn't properly grounded and the current is taking a wrong path to the G wire.
          Last edited by BillyCarpenter; 12-13-2024, 02:49 PM.
          Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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          • bsm2
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            #20
            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

            What it needs and reality are 2 different things. I'm going by the information given and that's all I have. The OP indicated it wasn't a dedicated line even though its suppose to be. He also indicated he thought it might be a space heater overloading the circuit because it started when the weather got cold.

            Anyway, for the scenario given, you had it all wrong. Carry on.


            PS - A high voltage reading between N and G normally means that the N wire isn't properly grounded and the current is taking a wrong path to the G wire.
            Never Assume dumbass

            ​​​​the first statement is dedicated line
            Maybe in Mississippi you can pass for a tech but nowhere else
            Get some F training it's embarrassing to the rest of the qualified technicians and service engineers

            Case closed

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            • BillyCarpenter
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              #21
              Originally posted by bsm2

              Never Assume dumbass

              ​​​the first statement is dedicated line
              Maybe in Mississippi you can pass for a tech but nowhere else
              Get some F training it's embarrassing to the rest of the qualified technicians and service engineers

              Case closed
              Your reading skills are as bad as your spelling.
              Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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              • bsm2
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                #22
                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

                Your reading skills are as bad as your spelling.
                Back to school rookie

                But hey embarrassing posts your King
                Congratulations

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                • copyman
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                  #23
                  Speaking of power issues, I had a new customer service call also on a 20A model. Machine was having some weird issues, fuser codes, internal error, etc. Not on a surge protector. I decided to check power supply connectors, etc so I unplugged machine, this when I saw the plug leg was twisted around so it could fit into 15A outlet! Their exact words were "the last guy couldn't fix it". Told them I want nothing to do with it and call me when you have a 20A dedicated outlet.
                  Left there thinking who twisted the plug leg, the customer or the "last tech" who couldn't fix it

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