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  • SalesServiceGuy
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    #376
    Re: The War in Ukraine

    How Ukraine’s mud became a secret weapon in its defense against Russia


    • When Russia invaded Ukraine in February, its military commanders were widely seen to have discounted one very unconventional but effective weapon in Ukraine’s arsenal.
    • The timing of Russia’s invasion, which began on Feb. 24, coincided with what is known locally as the “muddy road season,” or “Rasputitsa” in Russian.
    • Mud can make Ukraine’s terrain and unpaved roads virtually un-passable.


    When Russia invaded Ukraine in February, its military commanders were widely seen to have discounted one very unconventional but effective “weapon” in Ukraine’s arsenal: its infamous muddy season.

    The timing of Russia’s invasion, which began on Feb. 24, coincided with what is known locally as the “muddy road season,” or “Rasputitsa” in Russian. It’s a phenomenon that takes place twice a year, first in spring — when the winter freeze subsides and the country’s terrain and unpaved roads become virtually unpassable as they turn to mud — and then in the fall, when there can be heavy rain.

    The mud is seen by military experts to have helped to slow Russia’s advance in parts of the country, particularly the north. Images and video circulating online have shown Russian tanks, trucks and other armored vehicles stuck and abandoned on muddy roads or fields in Ukraine.

    That’s prompted some disbelief among Russia analysts and military experts, who said Russia’s military commanders should have been better prepared for conditions on the ground, and able to avoid the quagmire caused by Ukraine’s muddy spring terrain.

    It’s a phenomenon familiar in the history books: Napoleon Bonaparte’s invasion of Russia in 1812 was famously slowed by the mud, as were Hitler’s armies, which invaded the then-Soviet Union in 1941 and encountered the same logistical problems posed by the mud and inhospitable terrain that Russian troops have faced in the last few weeks.

    Russia’s military should’ve known better what conditions their forces would face, experts said.

    “Ukrainian mud and what is known in Russian as ‘rasputitsa’ is the period after the winter where you get impassable roads ... this has been known about for hundreds of years, literally Napoleon had this problem. So yes, it is a tactical feature that is advantageous for the Ukrainians and it was particularly important in the north where it is a lot more wooded,” Maximilian Hess, fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, told CNBC.

    It was initially believed that Russia would achieve a quick victory in Ukraine. But the country faced strong resistance from Ukrainian forces, which Western allies have helped to equip with weaponry.

    Despite the military exercises ahead of the invasion, military analysts have said the first phase of the war — which has seen Russia gain ground in the south and east of the country but fail to make strides in the north, with its forces now pulled back and concentrating on eastern Ukraine — showed a lack of planning, preparedness and tactical skill among its military command and soldiers, many of whom are conscripts.

    Hess said just Russia’s inability to deal with Ukraine’s muddy season “shows real issues with the professionalism of the military.”

    “It raises real questions for me ... the Russians have been doing these [military] drills and practicing this foreign invasion for almost a decade now and they still didn’t think, or didn’t have enough coordination, to put the right units in the right places, and to move in the right way to best deal with something [the mud] that has literally been known to be a problem for 300 years.”

    U.S. intelligence suggested that Russia had wished to invade Ukraine earlier in the year but had postponed its offensive at the behest of China so it would not overshadow the Beijing Winter Olympics that ended on Feb. 20.

    Prior to the invasion, Russia had amassed over 100,000 troops along its border with Ukraine and had carried out military drills with its ally Belarus, which lies to the north of Ukraine. But Moscow had insisted repeatedly that it had no plans to invade.

    Sam Cranny-Evans, a research analyst at the U.K. defense think tank RUSI, told CNBC that most of Russia’s military vehicles would have been able to cope with the mud in Ukraine, but problems had arisen from multiple vehicles using the same tracks, a foreseeable problem for any military commander with a basic understanding of “terramechanics” — or “the interaction of soil with off road vehicles.”

    “A lot of their vehicles would be fine moving through mud, providing that they didn’t repeatedly drive through the same track,” he said.

    “But I would argue that other things have limited their maneuver more in terms of their reliance on railheads and roads for their logistics,” he said, adding that the size of Ukraine also posed an extra challenge to Russia’s war machine, particularly for units farther away from Russia, such as those in northern Ukraine.

    Many of these units have since beaten a tactical retreat to focus on eastern and southern regions, where the second phase of the war is currently playing out in the Donbas and along the Black Sea.

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    • SalesServiceGuy
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      Originally posted by Drivee
      The Ukraine state that they use R-360 Neptune.

      According to naval expert Jonathan Bentham of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, Moscow had one of the strongest defense systems.


      The cruiser was equipped with a three-stage anti-aircraft system which, if it worked, should have given it three options to defend itself from attacks by Neptune rockets.


      In addition to defending medium-range and short-range weapons, it was able to use six short-range weapons systems (CIWS) as a last resort.





      Bentham said that Moscow should have a 360-degree air defense coverage.


      "The CIWS system can fire 5,000 bullets per minute, essentially creating a wall of bullets around the cruiser, its last line of defense," Bentham said.

      Now, where is boat, where Russia sink that biggest boat???

      Elementary ignorance.
      As early as 1792, it was dug up, the so-called The old canal so that ships could reach Nikolaev and Odessa. And in 1934-39 the canal was deepened and widened to 135m. The Russians sank the longest ship they had (it was already intended for scrap iron) and captured the most modern NATO ships and submarines in these two ports. These are practically unusable ports. With three hundred million, they captured $ 8 billion. Just ingenious. Nikolaev and Odessa have catacombs as well as Mariupol, but you will not help them

      ... the Moskva is an old ship built in the 1970's. It is thought that it's air defense systems never detected the low level sea, skimming missiles before impact. That particular night the sea state was choppy waves making radar detection of the missiles even more difficult from the background waves.

      The Moskva, the Russian Navy's Black Sea capitol ship, should have never been so close to the shoreline without at least one radar picket ship between it and the shoreline to provide advance warning of incoming missiles.

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      • slimslob
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        #378
        Re: The War in Ukraine

        '''Children of Men''' is really happening - by Ed West

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        • bsm2
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          #379

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          • BLADE
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            #380
            Re: The War in Ukraine

            I,ve heard it said that wars are young men forced to fight for old men.

            If there was a proper boxing match between Putin and Zylenskyy it would be the biggest sport event ever.

            Putin could ride in on horseback wearing his karate suit.

            Bring it !

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            • SalesServiceGuy
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              Originally posted by BLADE
              I,ve heard it said that wars are young men forced to fight for old men.

              If there was a proper boxing match between Putin and Zylenskyy it would be the biggest sport event ever.

              Putin could ride in on horseback wearing his karate suit.

              Bring it !
              ... you are watching too many Rocky movies.

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              • SalesServiceGuy
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                #382
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                90 older T72 tanks that could be quickly released from defending Odessa as Russia no longer seems capable of launching an amphibious assault there.

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                • SalesServiceGuy
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                  Visibly Bloated Putin Grips Table for Support in New Video

                  Visibly Bloated Putin Grips Table for Support in New Video - YouTube

                  ... new questions arise about the condition of Putin's health and the erratic decisions he might make.

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                  • BLADE
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                    #384
                    Re: The War in Ukraine

                    Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                    ... you are watching too many Rocky movies.
                    havnt been able to watch a Rocky movie all the way through but have watched Ali v Forman a few times.

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                    • BLADE
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                      #385
                      Re: The War in Ukraine

                      I,d never heard the term Oligark before the Ukraine war, it explains the rise of bitcoin tho

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                      • bsm2
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                        #386
                        Re: The War in Ukraine

                        Canada is Sending Ukraine Excalibur Precision-Guided, Extended-Range Artillery Shells

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                        • SalesServiceGuy
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                          Originally posted by bsm2
                          Canada is Sending Ukraine Excalibur Precision-Guided, Extended-Range Artillery Shells
                          ... depending on the version Canada is sending to Ukraine these artillery shells cost approx $65,000.00 USD each.

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                          • BillyCarpenter
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                            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                            ... depending on the version Canada is sending to Ukraine these artillery shells cost approx $65,000.00 USD each.

                            These weapons were developed by the USA military. The good ol' Red, White, and Blue. For us this is small potatoes.


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                            The M982 Excalibur (previously XM982) is a 155 mm extended range guided artillery shell developed during a collaborative effort between the U.S. Army Research Laboratory (ARL) and the United States Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center (ARDEC).[5] The Excalibur was developed and/or manufactured by prime contractor Raytheon Missiles & Defense, BAE Systems AB (BAE Systems Bofors) and other subs and primes in multiple capacities such as Camber Corporation and Huntington Ingalls Industries. It is a GPS- and inertial-guided munition capable of being used in close support situations within 75–150 meters (250–490 ft) of friendly troops or in situations where targets might be prohibitively close to civilians to attack with conventional unguided artillery fire. In 2015 the United States planned to procure 7,474 rounds with a FY2015 total program cost of US$1.9341 billion at an average cost of US$258,777 per unit.[6] By 2016, unit costs were reduced to US$68,000 per round.[7] Versions that add laser-guidance capability and are designed to be fired from naval guns began testing in 2015.[6][8][9] As of October 2018, over 1,400 rounds had been fired in combat.[10]
                            Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                            • Copier Addict
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                              #389
                              Re: The War in Ukraine

                              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                              These weapons were developed by the USA military. The good ol' Red, White, and Blue. For us this is small potatoes.


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                              Oooookay? Nobody asked. Thanks??

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                              • BillyCarpenter
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                                Originally posted by copier addict
                                Oooookay? Nobody asked. Thanks??

                                Jealousy is a disease. Get well soon, ol' boy.
                                Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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