Hey folks, you remember common sense?

[Jimbo1]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

As someone living in the UK where firearms are not an everyday occurance, I will not pretend to understand the ins and outs of the gun control debate.

What I will say is that while I do see a need for something like a handgun - for protection say. I fail to see a ligitamate reason for someone owning an assult rifle. You can't hunt with it and unless you are in the armed forces in a war zone you don't need one.

The right to bare arms may be a courner stone of the law, but it was written when there was a need for it and firearms technology didn't even invisage a machine gun.

My questions are:
1: Is it time to take note that tech is outpacing human nature to properly control ourselves and so place limits to protect society?

2: Is it time to change view point and say unless there is a valid reason for needing one, should it be illegal to have one - like the UK's shotgun laws?

Your thoughts?

What is an assault rifle?

[Jimbo1]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

And, yet, here you are using propaganda to convince people that having a gun will solve all of lifes problems. lol
Kinda funny when you think about it.

Show me where I said that. Twisting words are we?
And aren't you Canadian? You don't have a voice in the US end of this.

[Darren King]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

Show me where I said that. Twisting words are we?
And aren't you Canadian? You don't have a voice in the US end of this.

Yup, Canadian. Don't own a gun, don't need a gun. Just trying to be a voice of reason.

[Jimbo1]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

Yup, Canadian. Don't own a gun, don't need a gun. Just trying to be a voice of reason.

Why is it unreasonable to point out the mistakes of others in the past?
Unless you think Hitler and Stalin were voices of reason?

[Iowatech]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

As someone living in the UK where firearms are not an everyday occurance, I will not pretend to understand the ins and outs of the gun control debate.

What I will say is that while I do see a need for something like a handgun - for protection say. I fail to see a ligitamate reason for someone owning an assult rifle. You can't hunt with it and unless you are in the armed forces in a war zone you don't need one.

The right to bare arms may be a courner stone of the law, but it was written when there was a need for it and firearms technology didn't even invisage a machine gun.

My questions are:
1: Is it time to take note that tech is outpacing human nature to properly control ourselves and so place limits to protect society?

2: Is it time to change view point and say unless there is a valid reason for needing one, should it be illegal to have one - like the UK's shotgun laws?

Your thoughts?

You can't hunt with an assault rifle? Are you sure? My time in the Reserves makes it look like an assault rifle would actually work pretty well for that. Maybe it wouldn't work really that good on full auto, that's kind of like a shotgun except the projectiles come out in a linear fashion rather than all at once with the shot pattern of actual shotguns. Still, a semiautomatic should work nicely, I would think.

[Darren King]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

Why is it unreasonable to point out the mistakes of others in the past?
Unless you think Hitler and Stalin were voices of reason?

I think if you were to check your facts you would come across the truth. There was a restrictive gun law already in place many years before Hitler even came to power.
It seems it isn't only evil dictators think it is a good idea to have some gun control.

[mjarbar]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

What is an assault rifle?

I was using it as a term akin to the M4. i.e. A rifle with a protruding hand grip with the option of a folding or detachable stock that has modes of fire from single shot to kill everything in the room!!!

Other examples being the H&K MP5 and Enfield SA80.

As for not hunting with one - you could - but you run the risk of either missing with some if not all of the shots (the sights aren't as good as a hunting rifle and weren't designed for that sort of work to begin with) or damaging what you are after more than needs be (not major if you are after deer or elk but wouldn't leave much if you are after squirrel)

[mrwho]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

I was using it as a term akin to the M4. i.e. A rifle with a protruding hand grip with the option of a folding or detachable stock that has modes of fire from single shot to kill everything in the room!!!

Best description ever!

[mjarbar]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

Best description ever!

Paraphrasing Samuel L Jackson in Jackie Brown

[Jimbo1]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

I was using it as a term akin to the M4. i.e. A rifle with a protruding hand grip with the option of a folding or detachable stock that has modes of fire from single shot to kill everything in the room!!!

Other examples being the H&K MP5 and Enfield SA80.

As for not hunting with one - you could - but you run the risk of either missing with some if not all of the shots (the sights aren't as good as a hunting rifle and weren't designed for that sort of work to begin with) or damaging what you are after more than needs be (not major if you are after deer or elk but wouldn't leave much if you are after squirrel)

I am not sure if you know this or not but you can't go to like Bass Pro Shops and buy a fully automatic weapon. You have to get those things by illegal means. That means the folks who obey the law aren't going to have them. All you can buy legally is semi...one squeeze one shot.
Secondly I can assault you with any rifle made regardless of the outer cosmetics....which is all most of that is. A hand grip doesn't change functionailty

[mjarbar]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

I am not sure if you know this or not but you can't go to like Bass Pro Shops and buy a fully automatic weapon. You have to get those things by illegal means. That means the folks who obey the law aren't going to have them. All you can buy legally is semi...one squeeze one shot.
Secondly I can assault you with any rifle made regardless of the outer cosmetics....which is all most of that is. A hand grip doesn't change functionality

Yes this is where my understanding falls down as I always thought that a semi automatic was up to 3 shots with 1 squeeze and fully automatic was the entire clip with one squeeze, and yes regardless of the weapon you will always get some idiot miss-using them - it doesn't matter if you get smacked on the back of your head by a shotgun or a handgun they are both gonna do damage.

The big part of the problem as I see it, is that you have a very small minority that causes the majority of the problem. Rather than bringing in tighter controls or banning guns altogether I think a change should be made that restricts the type of weapon available to the person using it, i.e. a hunter has access to to hunting rifles, a homeowner who's idea of the countryside is a gravel drive would only need a handgun etc.

It's a sad fact that you won't stop these idiots going into schools and restaurants but you may be able to vastly limit the number of people they kill or injure before the cops show up.

I guess what I am trying to say is the gun equlivlant of "the right tool for the job at hand"

[Kidaver]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

The difference between a semi automatic handgun and a revolver is how far you pull the trigger...the M4 and M16 are semi automatic rifles....they do have a 3 round burst setting tho...

[ZOOTECH]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

What is an assault rifle?

I would consider any rifle/weapon pointed at me or anyone else an assault rifle/weapon.

[mrwho]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

If I had to choose from between two countries to go and visit, and the choice was between a country where I can get malaria and another country where I can get shot - well, there's no vacine that can protect me from bullets.

[Ctl-Alt-Del]

Re: Hey folks, you remember common sense?

Yup, Canadian. Don't own a gun, don't need a gun. Just trying to be a voice of reason.

You wasting your time trying to be the "voice of reason" in a debate about guns here in the good ole USA.