Re: What's your recommendations for a bulletproof / idiot-proof copier for teachers ?
We ended up putting the C/M21000's in a school district near us, and other than the high cap unit feed tire counter of 100k, they're solid. They don't jam naturally like Kyocera's, however, bad paper will cause TONS. OF. PAPER DUST. The other potential issue could be the ink yield, but we've had a hard time confirming that speculation.
One thing they should have done was put the "paper width detection sensor" facing down, instead of up, as it gets covered in the paper dust and caused weird errors.
If your tech's are okay working with them, it works, but the finisher designs are garbage.
Herc series machines are great, we've only had a few in the field, but they're one of the easiest machines to service, maintenance parts last past the recommended replacement interval, and those numbers are HIGH (500k and 1mil for most everything besides feed tires)
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Re: What's your recommendations for a bulletproof / idiot-proof copier for teachers ?
@mloudy
All the people who work for Sharp get an erection when they tell me about the Hercules, but they've all forbidden me to put one in a teacher's room because they'll sully it with their crass incompetence, so for the moment we stick with the Taurus.
@slimslob
We don't have any problems with elementary school, they know they're on a tight budget and respect the equipment, I have several machines that are close to a million without any intervention other than maintenance.
Colleges have the budget, reprographic services, and they set up codes with Papercut or equivalent, in addition to having users who are cerebral adults.
The problem lies in the in-between.Leave a comment:
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Re: What's your recommendations for a bulletproof / idiot-proof copier for teachers ?
I have heard from so many techs that the Sharp Hercules series is about as good as they get. I do know there are dealers with them in schools with 17M plus pages, maybe more. I've been told they just run. Never worked on one myself as our schools run the MX-M754N through BP-70M75.Leave a comment:
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Re: What's your recommendations for a bulletproof / idiot-proof copier for teachers ?
Personally I never had much trouble with the schools I serviced. Of course my boss personally knowing the superintendents of them did help. Also having campus IT personnel that all repair requests had to go through helped. They took care of checking to see if it was an operator problem and instructing the teachers as to what they were and were not allowed to do. In addition The State of California education budget doesn't provide funds for teachers to get paper so if they want to make copies or prints they have to provide their own paper or let the office personnel take care of it. One elementary district had their own print shop. Initially with a Ricoh Pro 1257EX B/W and a MP 7502. Almost every printed piece of paper used in the classroom was printed in the print shop. It was all mandated by the state. In fact everything could be purchased from the state but they found that they could do it themselves for about half the cost including hiring an experienced print shop operator.Leave a comment:
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Re: What's your recommendations for a bulletproof / idiot-proof copier for teachers ?
Lol!! The world will always build better idiots.
I remember installing machines in the 1990's. The customer asked us to remove all the function buttons except the green start button. The endusers still managed to break the one remaining button. And to service the machines we had to bring along a spare operation panel to enter service mode. =^..^=Leave a comment:
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What's your recommendations for a bulletproof / idiot-proof copier for teachers ?
I had another argument with a high school principal about the fact that "no, our copiers aren't trash", but that when you have between 50 and 100 adults with a crap mentality worse than the children they're supposed to be educating, who don't give a damn about the equipment because they're untouchable (I don't know about your country, but here the state has to provide them with the equipment even if they destroy it...), I could intervene every day and it wouldn't change the problem.
So, she challenged me to find her a machine that could be (almost) unbreakable by teachers and that didn't require an operator, "unlimited" money.
I need a B&W model and a color.
Usually for the B&W we install Sharp Taurus (MX-M754 / MX-M7570 / BP-70M90) which are good machines, but not good enough in 2024 for these assholes. For color, an office model like MX-6071 / BP-70C65 was enough for their few color prints, but since then they've been blowing up the counters (well, we're not going to put codes and quotas on them, as that might upset them...).
For the moment I'm going for an Epson WF-M21000 and WF-C21000 (I was impressed by their design during the training) but I'm open to any proposal.
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