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  • Penvy
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Oct 2008
    • 237

    #1

    C1 image banding Pics

    Finally think I got it to work
    Here is the pics of B&W and Color banding

    The copier was turned off Fri eve
    And Monday this showed up with no errors.
    After lots of research abd questions
    its not the drum
    Magenta dev unit was almost empty
    Yellow too
    I am now looking into the units may have been "over filled "
    with toner
    The DEV % were way up.

    Upon doing a refresh in the Magenta
    That color prints and in not in the "band"
    the Cyan and K were "full"

    Changed the Prim grid and second wires

    The image prints some times just fine then this band just shows up!
    The B&W was printing perfect, and the color would do this most of the time.
    Drum less than 70K
    DEV units were refreshed 6K
    No leaks
    Did see a few error code E0000061-000015
    but restarting seemed to stop that

    well at least I can post with this pic
    thanks guys
    need help

    restart on the Magenta DEV seemed to get rid of the red on this bane problem
    you cam see the red on the color in the pic
    now thats gone
    this band can move up and down on this image or just not show up at all some times
    Just dont think its the drum or the B&W would show the same and the Drum rotation does not match on a full revolution
    Almost as if the drum "skips"



    C1 banding B&W and Color.jpg
  • mrfixit51
    Lead Service Technician

    1,000+ Posts
    • Oct 2008
    • 1975

    #2
    Hi Penvy, were these run letter, or letter-r?
    "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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    • Penvy
      Trusted Tech

      100+ Posts
      • Oct 2008
      • 237

      #3
      Both ways, the band is across the drum about 2"
      the 2" is rough.

      In 11x17 the image looks as if it stops on a sharp edge and then the band across.
      B&W was printing without the band at all.

      I am thinking of restarting the other DEV units.
      When I cleaned the Magenta and restarted it that color in the band was gone.
      Now also the yellow was also almost empty and i put a little starter in there and the yellow band appeared somewhere else the was gone
      in the service mode p5 and print each color the band was there .
      the K was solid at first and it even nad a band

      If it was the drum damaged it would be every revolution but this is not the case.
      its as if the image or something on the laser just stopped on the color.
      then sometimes it would print fine.

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      • teckat
        Field Supervisor

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        • Jan 2010
        • 16083

        #4
        when u have banding in non image areas/ it could be a firmware issue


        what about the HVT ???
        did u just recently flash this printer ????
        do the service mode test prints pg 10/ 5 & 6 show banding ???

        try reloading the system software and re-flashing the DC CON and R CON.
        Last edited by teckat; 02-11-2010, 10:20 PM. Reason: miss info
        **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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        • teckat
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          • Jan 2010
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          #5
          [QUOTE=Penvy;123353]
          Both ways, the band is across the drum about 2"
          the 2" is rough.

          What kind of starter are u putting in this printer/ sounds like you are experimenting >>>rough feel on image can only mean Starter issue/grounding issue/ HVT issue
          **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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          • Penvy
            Trusted Tech

            100+ Posts
            • Oct 2008
            • 237

            #6
            Its Canon Starter for this copier!
            Did the upgrade and reflash from the PC

            Copier was working great then all of a sudden this banding
            thats when I looked into the DEV units and found one almost empty!

            Banding only on Image areas as you can see in the pic
            I think its a starter issue cuz when I restarted the Magenta, that color went away

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            • teckat
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              • Jan 2010
              • 16083

              #7
              Originally posted by Penvy
              Its Canon Starter for this copier!
              Did the upgrade and reflash from the PC

              Copier was working great then all of a sudden this banding
              thats when I looked into the DEV units and found one almost empty!

              Banding only on Image areas as you can see in the pic
              I think its a starter issue cuz when I restarted the Magenta, that color went away

              Final Answer>>>>>>>>>>>Replace the Hi-V BIAS CABLE >>>FM2-7291-000.
              I'll bet the cable is or has damage to it
              Bias Cable can effect one color or all colors !!!!
              **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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              • SCREWTAPE
                East Coast Imaging

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                • Jan 2009
                • 3396

                #8
                Look likes your primary corona.
                I would also check your pre-transfer.

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                • Penvy
                  Trusted Tech

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                  • Oct 2008
                  • 237

                  #9
                  Hi ST,
                  I did replace the Prim Grid and Pre trans wires
                  I am now looking into the HI-V bias cable in the Service manual
                  Hey Teckat,

                  Is that the single wire connector just above the drum assy? Dk orange color
                  Thanks for you response and interest
                  One other thing is the Magenta and the Yellow were almost empty after I just did a starter kit on all the colors about 6K ago
                  that one has me worried
                  No leaks anywhere
                  it would be all over the inside if it leaked, very clean

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                  • SCREWTAPE
                    East Coast Imaging

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                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3396

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Penvy
                    Hi ST,
                    I did replace the Prim Grid and Pre trans wires
                    You replaced them or did you rewire them?
                    You did have E61-xxxx. That's drum, primary,potential Control.
                    Restarting developers is not going to clear or make E61's disappear.
                    What about pre-Exposure and Pre-conditioning exposure leds array.

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                    • Penvy
                      Trusted Tech

                      100+ Posts
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 237

                      #11
                      Rewired them ,Done that many times. You have to get the right twist on the ends and the right length, yup!
                      The E000061 have not come up lately.
                      The pre exposure leds ? no error I get on that but I will clean them
                      Inspected the drum No marks Very clean Again seen these drums many times, but its like it just hickups on that damn 2"
                      and its weird.
                      the B&W was perfect but the color is the banding issue.

                      I tell you guys I have seen some real problem copiers in the past but this one tops it.
                      I am looking into the Bias Cable?
                      Just weird this just came up right out of nowhere
                      shut it down and then ......this

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