Tips on canon models

[Klydon]

One note on fixing films. I have seen dirty patches (the white part on the edge that the sensor looks at) be dirty and cause 007 codes. Check and make sure the edges are not starting to peel and if it looks ok, just clean the patch and you should be good to go.

Speaking of fixing units: I am curious what folks do with the cleaning rollers. Right now, I have extras I just swap as needed and have a pan I put high strength turpentine in (available from a home improvement/hardware store) and let them soak for about 10 minutes or so and then scrape them with a putty knife. Sort of like stripping old wood furnature. I don't have a wire wheel and I don't think they work real well with Canon rollers anyway (work great on Ricoh rollers). What is everyone else using?

[teckat]

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It seems that Canon has addressed the lower pressure roller and bearings with a newer type for 5570/5050 series. I ordered the lower pressure roller and the bearings came attached as one whole unit. They say its to address the seizing and noise, plus prevention of the ends of the shaft from wearing down. The ends or the pressure roller have been increased in diameter. Lets see!
FM2-9789-000 is the part number for the new type.

[teckat]

just to add to SCREWTAPE's/ post>

bearing..JPG
Old-Type Pressure Roller Unit
(Separate Items)
[1] Pressure Roller
[2] Ball Bearing
[3] E-ring
[4] Pressure Roller unit
[A] Shaft

Old ROLLER, PRESSURE FC7-4237-000
1
New *ROLLER UNIT, PRESSURE FM2-9789-000

Old BEAR-ING, BALL, XG9-0636-000
2
New *ROLLER UNIT, PRESSURE FM2-9789-000

Old E-RING XD2-1200-902
3
New N/A N/A

Old ROLLER, PRESSURE FC6-3838-000
4
New *ROLLER UNIT, PRESSURE FM2-4683-000

Old BEARING, BALL XG9-0636-000
5
New *ROLLER UNIT, PRESSURE FM2-4683-000
320


*FM2-9789-000: iR5075/iR5075N, iR5050/iR5055/5065
*FM2-4683-000: iR5570/iR6570

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Thanks Teckat!

[teckat]

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[blackcat4866]

Please keep this thread going. I've got a dozen or so of this series of machine (iR3570) in the field. All I've had to do was the basics: Fuser, Drum, Feed rollers.

I think the most interesting was a vertical path jamming issue 0105, 0201, from tray #1 only. Just cleaning the vertical path rollers seemed to help. On my next vist I was planning to replace the vertical rollers, one-way gears, and vertical path flags. ~350K on the machine. Does this fit with anything you've seen?

Finally got approval and parts arrived. It's working a lot better. There were 200 pgs in the print queue the printed off problem free. I noticed while I was in there that it's the left side lower door that applies pressure to the vertical path idler rollers. I stuck on a 1mm rubber pad onto the door at the two contact points. I'm thinking that helped increase idler pressure.

I've heard something about a new style right door. How do I identify old style/new style? Would that account for the door latch on the fuser getting mangled, or is that something else? Maybe just the result of a lot of opening & closing as a result of jamming? =^..^=

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Finally got approval and parts arrived. It's working a lot better. There were 200 pgs in the print queue the printed off problem free. I noticed while I was in there that it's the left side lower door that applies pressure to the vertical path idler rollers. I stuck on a 1mm rubber pad onto the door at the two contact points. I'm thinking that helped increase idler pressure.

I've heard something about a new style right door. How do I identify old style/new style? Would that account for the door latch on the fuser getting mangled, or is that something else? Maybe just the result of a lot of opening & closing as a result of jamming? =^..^=

I've seen that latch get a bit torn up from I guess opening a shutting the right side door.
The newer type right side door on the newer models such as the IR3245's is still the same to me.
The only difference is that, it does not come off when you need to, let's say, remove the fixing unit, It just hangs now.
Canon has sort of made some new hinges that allow the right side door to hang rather than removing it completely as the previous right side door.

[teckat]

Improving the Stability of Pressure Applied by the Vertical Path Roller to Prevent Jam Code 0105
04-16-09

Products Affected: Serial Numbers Affected:
imageRUNNER 2230 MSA00001 and Later
imageRUNNER 2830 MSZ00001 and Later
imageRUNNER 3530 MTM00001 and Later
imageRUNNER 2270 All
imageRUNNER 2870 All
imageRUNNER 3570 All
imageRUNNER 4570 All
imageRUNNER 3030 MUG00001 and Later
imageRUNNER 3035 MUP00001 and Later
imageRUNNER 3045 MUY00001 and Later
A fault in the feeding of paper at the paper pick-up assembly causes a skew of the paper or a vertical path
jam (0105).
[B]Cause:
A gradually worn right lower door sheet may deteriorate the feeding performance of the vertical path,
causing a skew of the paper.
If this symptom becomes worse, a vertical path jam (0105) can occur.

FACTORY MEASURE:
A change has been made to the member helping the vertical path roller applying pressure from the right
lower door sheet B to an inner door pressure plate [C]. (Change in the pressure application
mechanism of the vertical path roller).
dr..JPG
[B]P-2 OLD TYPE P-3 NEW TYPE
Right lower door sheet B [C] Inner door pressure plate
[1] Right lower inner door ass'y
Because of the change to the inner door pressure plate, the vertical path roller pressure becomes greater,
thus making the right lower door open easily. To prevent this from occurring, the spring pressure of the
tension spring has been increased; therefore reinforcing the latching of the right lower door lock
mechanism.
dr1..JPG


P-4 RIGHT LOWER DOOR ASSEMBLY
[D] Tension Spring

3) To further minimize static buildup corresponding to the change to the inner pressure plate, a grounding
wire has been added to a screw hole on the upper pickup ass'y mount plate [E] and an access opening
has been added on the PCB cover [F].

dr2..JPG

P-5 INTERNAL COMPONENTS 1
[E] Upper pickup ass’y mount plate
[F] PCB cover
[B]
If you have an imageRUNNER device which is experiencing a jam code 0105, replace the old type parts
with the new type parts listed on the next page.
For replacement procedure, see the following 'Replacing the Right Lower Door Assembly/the Right Lower
Inner Door Assembly’.
To identifying the host machine as whether it is a new type or old type, refer to the serial numbers described
in the "Affected Machines" on the last page of this Technical Publication.

Note: When this measure is performed, check to see that "Measure for the registration sensor delay jam
(0105) by the vertical path roller". If not, perform this measure.
Replacing the Right Lower Door Assembly/the Right Lower Inner Door Assembly:
1) Open the right door of the machine. Then open the right lower door assembly [A] (FM2-0131) and the
cassette right cover .
DR3..JPG

2) Remove the 2 screws [C] and the front lower right panel [D].
DR4..JPG

3) Remove the right lower door assembly (FM2-0131) [A], and then the right lower inner door assembly
(FM20132) [E].
DR5..JPG

4) Remove the screw [C].
DR6..JPG

5) Install the new right lower inner door assembly (FM3-1297) [E], and install the ground wire [F] for the
right lower door assembly with the screw [C] removed in step 4.
DR7..JPG
Note: Tighten screw [C] so that there is a gap [H] of approx. 5 mm between the ground wire [F] and the
plastic cover [G].

6) Install the new right lower door assembly (FM3-1296) and re-assembly in the reverse order of steps 1
through 3.

SERVICE PARTS:

Old FL2-0126-010
1
New
GUIDE, DECK PATH
FM3-1298-000

Old FM2-0131-020
2
New
RIGHT LOWER DOOR ASSEMBLY
FM3-1296-000

Old FM2-0132-000
3
New
RIGHT LOWER INNER DOOR ASS'Y
FM3-1297-000

Old FU5-2030-000
4
New
SPRING, TENSION
FU6-2974-000

Old FC5-0567-000
5
New
PLATE, PICK-UP ASS'Y MOUNT, U
FC5-0567-010

Old FC5-0641-000
6
New
COVER, PCB
FC5-0641-010

Old FC5-7244-000
7
New
Sheet, Right Lower Door, B

[blackcat4866]

Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for. The one I was looking at is old style, but from what I see here I was on the right track by increasing the pressure on the vertical path rollers. That's exactly what the mod does. =^..^=

[D_L_P]

Good info here, I don't run into too many jamming issues anymore but I'll keep in mind there are updated parts.
I had one that was tech induced, kinda obvious once I saw it. I glued rubber pads to the door to keep pressure on that guide and it caused tray 2 to jam. It was actually putting too much pressure on so that the door wasn't closing right. I shaved it off a bit and tray 2 feed fine. Don't know what I was thinking that day.

[teckat]

mp_814104_b~Man-on.jpg

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Tip

When anybody orders the right side lower door B FM3-1296-000
The tension springs circle below come with the door and the guide deck plate also comes with the door. No need to order these extra items.

[Klydon]

Just as a note: The old parts are no longer available. I know many techs were using the foam strip (marked B in the upper left picture) as a way to increase pressure on the inner door. Since that is no longer available from Canon as a service part, they have had to come up with other fixes.

As an alternative to increase pressure on that inner door, you can get a roll weather foam stripping (common at home improvement stores or hardware stores and cheap) and attach that to the bottom inside of the right door where it will hit the backside of the inner door rollers. A strip about 3 inches long, half inch wide and 3/8 to 1/2 inch thick should do the trick. These usually have an adhesive on one side, so takes a matter of a minute to apply this fix.

I have a bunch of these machines and by doing these countermeasures, 105 jams are pretty much a thing of the past unless it is worn/dirty feed tires on the station itself.