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  • abkonnet
    Trusted Tech
    • Mar 2008
    • 166

    #1

    IR8070 Paper scrolls

    In my 8070 The paper jam( scrolls freely) before the Fixing Roller and not entering the Fixing rollers.i.e the paper fold in to two and not entering the Fixing Unit. I cannot Figure it Out. Pls help me Out. I post the Picture Soon.
  • copyhere
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • May 2009
    • 112

    #2
    check the main gear on the upper fuser roller there is an indent in the inside of the gear that keeps it from spinning free on the roller you might have to take it off to see it because sometimes if you turn it by hand it turns normal but in operation it will spin free.

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    • mrfixit51
      Lead Service Technician

      1,000+ Posts
      • Oct 2008
      • 1975

      #3
      Separation/Transfer corona can cause this, clean/restring/or replace the corona, to eliminate that possibility...
      "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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      • abkonnet
        Trusted Tech
        • Mar 2008
        • 166

        #4
        I here Attach the Picture of the paper jam. Pls Note that Printed side Moves Down and it not Previously printed.
        How to set the Optipum value for Transfer and seperation.
        I have set TR-N1=-350
        TR-N2=-350
        SP-N1=200
        SP-N2=150
        What will be the Best Value?
        Attached Files

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        • teckat
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          • Jan 2010
          • 16083

          #5
          Originally posted by abkonnet
          I here Attach the Picture of the paper jam. Pls Note that Printed side Moves Down and it not Previously printed.
          How to set the Optipum value for Transfer and seperation.
          I have set TR-N1=-350
          TR-N2=-350
          SP-N1=200
          SP-N2=150
          What will be the Best Value?

          only happens on two sided ???/ or just single sided/ list jam codes ???
          **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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          • canonclc
            Technician

            50+ Posts
            • Apr 2010
            • 71

            #6
            looks like the fuser rollers are not turning like the other guy said.if you turn the handle on the fuser do the rollers turn?

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            • teckat
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              • Jan 2010
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              #7
              copyhere , U Hit nail on the head/ had to read n' look at pic again/ single sided flip over /agree on fuser not turning_
              Last edited by teckat; 04-29-2010, 01:10 AM.
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              • Canuck
                Tech Specialist

                1,000+ Posts
                • Nov 2007
                • 1713

                #8
                Either the tooth has broke off the ufr gear as stated(common) or the fixing motor gear is wiped(usually around 4 million)

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                • mrfixit51
                  Lead Service Technician

                  1,000+ Posts
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1975

                  #9
                  Remove covers and observe what is happening live,,, the guys may be right about the fuser,, only you can be the observer!
                  "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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                  • abkonnet
                    Trusted Tech
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 166

                    #10
                    The Separation and Transfer Assembly cause the Problem. When the paper crosses the Drum it moves up and hit the upper wall then scrolls. How to eliminate It. I think some potential adjustment can eleminate. but dont know what is should be adjusted. Tranfer or seperation charging?

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                    • copyhere
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                      100+ Posts
                      • May 2009
                      • 112

                      #11
                      I have had the same problem because of different conditions of humidity,paper, etc and have corrected it by lowering the the transfer setting a little at a time and increasing seperation a little at a time and going back and forth. also it happens with some paper and not with other paper. Also in register paper type try some other paper types even though it is plain paper it sometimes works.

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                      • teckat
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                        • Jan 2010
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by abkonnet
                        The Separation and Transfer Assembly cause the Problem. When the paper crosses the Drum it moves up and hit the upper wall then scrolls. How to eliminate It. I think some potential adjustment can eleminate. but dont know what is should be adjusted. Tranfer or seperation charging?
                        u never posted jam codes ?? u never mentioned if it happens from all or some paper feed locations ? cassettes & or decks/prints and or copies. ?

                        Check service mode copier>option >body>tp-sp-xx (xx denotes the cassette or deck that is having the jam issue). For example, if the unit is jamming only from the right deck, then go to address tp-sp-c1. Make certain that the setting for the address is 0 (default). If the setting is for tracing paper (2) and then plain paper is run from the paper source, then jamming will result.
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                        • abkonnet
                          Trusted Tech
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 166

                          #13
                          I check the Jam code it is Delay jam in PS9(I Think, Because i am not near the Machine right Now). After playing some time with Separation and tranfer Settings I reduce the paper jam, More paper Jam happens in A4R and not in A4. After Changing Separation and transfer Values white spots appear on Copies how to fix optipum value for it.

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                          • teckat
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                            #14
                            u need to post the exact jam codes/ a delay code 01xx and a stationary code 02xx are worlds apart
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                            • mrfixit51
                              Lead Service Technician

                              1,000+ Posts
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 1975

                              #15
                              If it is the corona causing it, as I have already stated, restringing the corona, or replacing it should resolve the problem. I have never adjusted the corona currents for this problem. I have seen this years ago on a pair of 8500's I had in a school system printshop. Restring till it reach's a million, and then replace after a million.
                              "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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