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  • V-P
    Senior Tech

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    • Apr 2011
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    [Misc] Preparing Wires

    This is a thread to discuss the process of preparing the new corona wires.

    Maybe someone has some tricks to do it faster & better.

    Personally I don't do it much, because there is always the "new guy - with strong eyes" who has to do it, but still it is a time taking process.

    So if you like to share....
  • teckat
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    • Jan 2010
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    #2
    no tricks/
    patience & practice
    use a spring hook & a retractile spring hook


    always clean wire & grid plate after handling
    (fingerprints on CLC grid plate will show up on copies)

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    • zoraldinho
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      • Mar 2008
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      #3
      I change corona assy.It's faster and more profitable.
      Practice makes perfect
      If it ain't broke, don't fix it
      A picture is worth a thousand words
      If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself

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      • zoraldinho
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        #4
        Originally posted by Canon.Tech
        Replacing the corna ass'y is for lazy engineer's!

        A good engineer will allways replace the wire only (that's me incase you're wondering!)
        You're wright,but I have house with pool,expensive car and 5 technicians to pay every month.
        Practice makes perfect
        If it ain't broke, don't fix it
        A picture is worth a thousand words
        If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself

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        • blazebusiness
          SanDiegoCopierRepair.com

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          • Apr 2010
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          #5
          Originally posted by zoraldinho
          I change corona assy.It's faster and more profitable.
          Replacing the whole assembly will certainly get the job done right- but can you say "overkill"......LOL
          sigpicAnything can be made to work if you fiddle with it long enough- San Diego Copier Repair.com

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          • zoraldinho
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            #6
            For example:Customer have ir 5570.If you replace all corona assy every 500K you don't have problems with wires.I don't see "overkill"here.Of course we don't
            have every customer loaded with money,but if you have possibility!?.....
            Practice makes perfect
            If it ain't broke, don't fix it
            A picture is worth a thousand words
            If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself

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            • blazebusiness
              SanDiegoCopierRepair.com

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              • Apr 2010
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              #7
              I'll admit that replacing the whole assembly will reduce callbacks....if reliability is paramount and saving money is not a concern for the customer. We rebuild the coronas to try and keep the customers expenses down. On the IR 5570 series I see your point. At 500k the grid and the charge wires need to be replaced and the labor charge for the time needed to rebuild the whole assembly in the field adds up.
              sigpicAnything can be made to work if you fiddle with it long enough- San Diego Copier Repair.com

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              • mark921
                Trusted Tech
                • Dec 2010
                • 110

                #8
                We service in house, and what we do is have spare assemblies rebuilt and ready to go. When a unit needs a change, we simply replace the whole assembly, and rebuild the old when time permits. It's fast and very effective.

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                • V-P
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                  • Apr 2011
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mark921
                  We service in house, and what we do is have spare assemblies rebuilt and ready to go. When a unit needs a change, we simply replace the whole assembly, and rebuild the old when time permits. It's fast and very effective.
                  same here...

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                  • CanonSco
                    Man About Town

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                    • Jul 2010
                    • 368

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Canon.Tech
                    We've got a few tatty ir5000s out so I just clean or replace the wires, but yes on the decent 5570 series I replace the ass'y when they are due around 500k
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                    • blackcat4866
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                      #11
                      At least in the Copystar Falcon III and Stratos machines I haven't had much luck with restringing primarys.

                      It's not that I can't do it. After 15 years on Canons, 30 wires a day, I'm pretty good at it. But the copy quality often doesn't get better, sometimes even worse. And the stamped metal grids are so delicate that it's very easy to mangle then. The only ones I re-string are the Falcon I, Falcon II, and the Harrier. =^..^=
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                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

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                      • D_L_P
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                        • Oct 2009
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by V-P
                        Maybe someone has some tricks to do it faster & better.
                        Everyone does what is comfortable for them, but I've found breaking off the wire instead of using wire clippers to be faster and no tails!!

                        I bent up a piece of a regular ol' wire hanger in a "J" shape to make the loop. I also use those captive-type spring hooks now.

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                        • vigour
                          Service Manager

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                          • Aug 2010
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                          #13
                          It is posssible to get single prestrung wires wits springs for the advance and production series.
                          I have never done grids WIRES since CLC 1. Stainless grids last waaay longer than gold plated and are not as finicky. tungsten wires last longer than gold also.
                          I replace assemblies on 7105 at 1-1.5 milllion
                          5xxx series I restring wires.
                          The tool I fear losing most is my captive spring hook. Everytime I do a transfer wire I wonder how people do it without one, because the space between the screw and hook is sooooo small.
                          I use a regular spring hook to make the loops, break the wire off (no Tails to arc), and attach spring with my captive spring hook.

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                          • charm5496
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                            #14
                            I restring wires more often than most, and rarely replace the assemblies unless the reach 1 to 1.5 million. I just use the normal spring hook and the captive spring hook to hold the spring and break the wire off after spinning. Working on the CLC-1000 and 5000 series 5 calls a day and stringing 40 - 50 a day makes you pretty quick at it...

                            We are using the prestrungs on the Image Press series now, but I honestly do not like them much.
                            Accidents don't just happen. They must be carelessly planned.

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