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  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

    Site Contributor
    10,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2007
    • 22999

    #1

    Black copies ... well sort of.

    I think this qualifies as a heads up. I suppose I ought to throw in all the embarrassing details.

    The machine is an iR3570.
    It started out with voids crossfeed, intermittently. After a little examination I picked out a pattern crossfeed re-occurring at 40mm, and a pattern of white dots at 75.5mm. On the first visit I identified cracked developer spacers. It seemed like a good place to start.

    Second visit:
    The developer spacers installed easily enough, but did not solve the problem. What started as intermittent voids soon became a mixture of black lines and voids, all crossfeed. Within 10 copies the image went solid black ... not solid black ... like 90% fill with the faint image of the original just visible. No voids. After a quick consultation with a Canon guy I know from way back, he suggested a problem with the laser shutter cable. I didn't know there was a cable up until then. The cable was working properly, but that led me to the laser unit.

    Third visit:
    I installed what was purported to be a good used laser unit. It did not solve the original quality issue, and the mirror motor did not sound too healthy. Within 30 copies it was pulling E000100-01. At least for the purposes of diagnosis I could now rule out the laser. On an inspiration I checked the drum ground inside the drum core. Infinite resistance between the copper contact and the aluminum core. It was blackened, like there had been arcing.

    With some careful tapping I removed the rear drum cap. The ears that contact the drum were burned off. A strategically shaped paper clip made a fine drum ground. When assembled it measured 0.002 ohms from the drum core to the machine frame, and voila! Fixed.

    I've installed a lot of Canon drums over the years, and have never seen this particular thing. The drum was OEM, and only had 6K since it was installed. The picture below is of an intact drum ground to give you an idea what it's supposed to look like:

    Drum Ground.JPG

    Have you ever seen this? =^..^=
    Last edited by blackcat4866; 04-13-2013, 04:46 AM.
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=
  • teckat
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    • Jan 2010
    • 16083

    #2
    Re: Black copies ... well sort of.

    **Knowledge is time consuming, exhausting and costly for a trained Tech.**

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    • blackcat4866
      Master Of The Obvious

      Site Contributor
      10,000+ Posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 22999

      #3
      Re: Black copies ... well sort of.

      I don't go anywhere without my carstock:

      paper_clip_large.jpg

      =^..^=
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS
        Senior Tech

        500+ Posts
        • Oct 2010
        • 860

        #4
        Re: Black copies ... well sort of.

        If my mind doesn't fail me, this type of problem was common with drums of NP6216, 6220, & NP1010/1020 copiers; I use to replace those drive gears with any known working one from old cylinders.

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        • Canon.Tech
          Trusted Tech
          • Mar 2009
          • 335

          #5
          Re: Black copies ... well sort of.

          Usually paper clips are the copiers enemy!

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          • blackcat4866
            Master Of The Obvious

            Site Contributor
            10,000+ Posts
            • Jul 2007
            • 22999

            #6
            Re: Black copies ... well sort of.

            Originally posted by DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS
            If my mind doesn't fail me, this type of problem was common with drums of NP6216, 6220, & NP1010/1020 copiers; I use to replace those drive gears with any known working one from old cylinders.
            I seem to recall a modified drum shaft retainer on the Mita DC-111C and Mita DC-1656, but never on a Canon. Mita added a drum ground contact to the bracket.

            I seem to recall swapping drum end gears on the Canon NP-3525, but only because the waste toner would fill the drum, then chew the teeth off the drum gear, then jam. Come to think of it, the NP-1010/NP-1020, NP-1215/NP-1500/1520, NP-2020/NP-2120 did that too.

            That was such a bad idea ... filling the drum with waste toner. =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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