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  • Hansoon
    Field Supervisor

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    • Sep 2007
    • 3389
    #1

    You won't believe it........

    Customer called me today to service his Minolta EP-4300.

    I still had the parts in stock, Cleaning Blade, Spill Mylar, C-Wires. LOL

    Machine is in use mainly for White Toner copies and is with this customer for over 22 years. The EP-4300 came on the market I think around 1989 or so...........

    In the back are also an EP-4232 and a EP-4233 kept cause of the White Toner too.

    Hans
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    Tags: customer, ep-4300, market, toner, white
    • srvctec
      Former KM Senior Tech

      500+ Posts
      • Oct 2009
      • 827
      #2
      Re: You won't believe it........

      Nope, don't believe it. [emoji6]

      Haven't seen one of those in YEARS, thankfully. At least it was better than its cousin, the 4230.
      Last edited by srvctec; 11-10-2017, 07:50 PM.
      Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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        • srvctec
          Former KM Senior Tech

          500+ Posts
          • Oct 2009
          • 827
          #3
          Re: You won't believe it........

          You and others might get a kick out of this. Minolta used to put out Compatibility charts so you could compare all models side by side. I laminated this one back in '96 and still have it- just scanned it into a .pdf. I added the monthly volume amounts on the left as I thought it was nice to have that info when the customer decided to overuse their machine.

          I wasn't sure where else to post this on the forums and since you mentioned the 4300 dinosaur, this thread seemed appropriate for now.

          Minolta Compatibility Chart.pdf
          Last edited by srvctec; 11-10-2017, 11:21 PM.
          Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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            • copyman
              Owner / Technician

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              • Sep 2005
              • 4718
              #4
              Re: You won't believe it........

              I had the "pleasure" of working on that model as well as the spin off's, EP4230, 4231,4232, etc. Not too bad from what I can remember. I had a fight with a few ha-ha. Like all the OEM's of that time they were trying different things to get a hold on the copier market. Some worked and some didn't. The OEM's that consistently put out better boxes are still here today. Others like these are long gone... Panasonic (should've stuck with TV's & toothbrushes), Olivetti (should've stuck with typewriters), TA Adler, Gestetner, Etc
              All gone, well at least in the USA?

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                • xring1958
                  Trusted Tech

                  100+ Posts
                  • Mar 2016
                  • 166
                  #5
                  Re: You won't believe it........

                  Originally posted by copyman
                  Others like these are long gone... Panasonic (should've stuck with TV's & toothbrushes), Olivetti (should've stuck with typewriters), TA Adler, Gestetner, Etc
                  All gone, well at least in the USA?
                  Panasonic had a contribution. Before Panasonic all of the machines I worked on Sharps, Canons Minoltas even some Royals and SCMs used a main motor with chains or belts and clutches. Panasonic was the first I saw to use individual motors to control different assemblies. And if you thought Olivetti should stick to typewriters you never worked on one of theirs. Panasonic did make some atrocious boxes but their last gen color units were pretty decent. Just way too heavy to carry upstairs.

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                    • Synthohol
                      Certified Konica Expert

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                      • Mar 2016
                      • 5847
                      #6
                      Re: You won't believe it........

                      ive seen a few Panasonics that were just re branded Minoltas back in the day.
                      We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                      The medication helps though...

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                        • xring1958
                          Trusted Tech

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                          • Mar 2016
                          • 166
                          #7
                          Re: You won't believe it........

                          Originally posted by Synthohol
                          ive seen a few Panasonics that were just re branded Minoltas back in the day.
                          The 60 copy and 76 cop analogs were rebadged Minoltas they even had some rebadged Xerox and Toshiba units usually at the larger CPM sizes

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                            • EarthKmTech
                              Step aside, noob

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                              • May 2009
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                              #8
                              Re: You won't believe it........

                              You guys are showing your age

                              Some of us have never even worked on an analog machine, I wonder if we are missing out or dodged a bullet ?

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                                • zoraldinho
                                  teacher-guide-expert-guru

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                                  • Mar 2008
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                                  Re: You won't believe it........

                                  I do not miss analog machines at all. Especially doc. feeder belts or a scanner lamp when it flying left to right for each document separately.
                                  Last edited by zoraldinho; 12-05-2017, 12:20 PM.
                                  If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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                                    • Tech Helpdesk
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                                      • Jul 2015
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                                      #10
                                      Re: You won't believe it........

                                      Simul Color !!!!! just watch those dev clutches lol

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                                        • blackcat4866
                                          Master Of The Obvious

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                                          • Jul 2007
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                                          Re: You won't believe it........

                                          The engine mechanics haven't changed that much, only developing units maybe. Scanners used to be much more heavy duty since 1M copies always equalled 1M scans.

                                          Image adjustments that were mostly mechanical, are now mostly electrical. DF's of the 80's jammed a lot more than DFs today. It was a great idea to get away from white belts (some of those white belts being yellow!)

                                          And you can take all those clamshell machines and bury them in the same hole. =^..^=
                                          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                                          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                                          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                                          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                                          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                                          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                                          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                                            • guitar9199
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                                              • Sep 2016
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                                              #12
                                              Re: You won't believe it........

                                              Originally posted by EarthKmTech
                                              You guys are showing your age

                                              Some of us have never even worked on an analog machine, I wonder if we are missing out or dodged a bullet ?

                                              DEFINITELY Dodged a bullet!! Don't get me ( or any of us... ) started on the old Liquid Toner Savins!!

                                              (..Can YOU say "Clothing Allowance"?.....LOL!) I went through more white dress shirts and ties back then. Yes...we had to wear a suit and tie while servicing copiers. It showed the customer we were "Professional".

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                                                • xring1958
                                                  Trusted Tech

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                                                  • Mar 2016
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                                                  #13
                                                  Re: You won't believe it........

                                                  Originally posted by zoraldinho
                                                  I do not miss analog machines at all. Especially doc. feeder belts or a scanner lamp when it flying left to right for each document separately.
                                                  I bet the people who sell RainX miss analog ADF units.

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                                                    • brent
                                                      Service Manager

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                                                      • Nov 2008
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                                                      Re: You won't believe it........

                                                      ok. so since we are showing our age.. anyone remember the ep 450z the clutches in the rear of the machine? lol
                                                      I actually started working for my dad and I dodged the ep 101 liquid toner machines.. I first went to school on the ep 1080 but yes the 4100 / 01 models I learded on.. I don't miss those days.. I cant believe I have been in the industry since 1992 but my dad owned the company and we used to make copies of funny things while we were kids yep hard to believe that I own it now... and I have parts in stock if anyone needs them I have a ep 3150 drum new in box.. lol the ep 310 had a negative coificient thermistor.. how do I remember this stuff.. too funny


                                                      brent

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                                                        • Hansoon
                                                          Field Supervisor

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                                                          Re: You won't believe it........

                                                          The engine mechanics haven't changed that much, only developing units maybe.
                                                          Are you kidding? Forgot about those fat motors driving the whole machine through a central chain? lol

                                                          Me too went those days to my customers wearing a shirt and necktie (sometimes I still do.......) not only once the tie got stuck in the running chain. Stupid me.....

                                                          @Brent: Do you recall the EP-550Z and 650Z with those selenium drums costing a fortune and having the need to polish them regularly by hand?

                                                          Hans
                                                          “Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0”

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