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  • mike_hartung
    Technician
    • Dec 2009
    • 39

    #1

    [Electrical] total counter changes

    I have had the total counter change on two machines out in the field. One is a bizhub C308. The other is a Bizhub C454e. There was no warning or machine failure. We found out when the customer was called for their monthly meter counts for billing. The counts had changed by hundreds of thousands of copies. What was once a count of over 350,000 changed to just over 62,000. All counters both color, black, and total had changed. These changes have been verified by tech's visiting the customer offices and confirming. Has anybody else had this problem and what causes it and can anything be done about preventing it?
  • tsbservice
    Field tech

    Site Contributor
    5,000+ Posts
    • May 2007
    • 7998

    #2
    Re: total counter changes

    This is disgusting problem. I have heard that failed battery backup can cause machine to lost some data including counters but on two machines? Are they at same customer?
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    • mike_hartung
      Technician
      • Dec 2009
      • 39

      #3
      Re: total counter changes

      Originally posted by tsbservice
      This is disgusting problem. I have heard that failed battery backup can cause machine to lost some data including counters but on two machines? Are they at same customer?
      different customers. One occurred shortly after install. The other customer has had their C454e for over two years now.

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      • Bix
        Service Manager

        1,000+ Posts
        • Apr 2018
        • 1421

        #4
        Re: total counter changes

        It should go wrong. The data is not kept on a single card and synchronizations are made every hour. If synchronization does not match, the MFP fails.


        Usually when something goes wrong, the change goes from zero pages to millions of pages. Are you sure someone isn't trying to change the counters?


        In the case of the C454e, if I'm not mistaken, it still has the mechanical counter next to the toners.

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        • tsbservice
          Field tech

          Site Contributor
          5,000+ Posts
          • May 2007
          • 7998

          #5
          Re: total counter changes

          In case of C308, check in history for error C-D370.
          Counters may be incorrect due to corrupt data in the eMMC board.
          The Workaround would be:
          1. Unset the HDD2.
          Format the eMMC board ( Physical and then logical)
          3. Set the HDD to Installed again

          P.S
          Probably same may happen in C454e if SSD data is corrupt...
          Keep us informed
          A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
          Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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          • mike_hartung
            Technician
            • Dec 2009
            • 39

            #6
            Re: total counter changes

            Originally posted by tsbservice
            In case of C308, check in history for error C-D370.
            Counters may be incorrect due to corrupt data in the eMMC board.
            The Workaround would be:
            1. Unset the HDD2.
            Format the eMMC board ( Physical and then logical)
            3. Set the HDD to Installed again

            P.S
            Probably same may happen in C454e if SSD data is corrupt...
            Keep us informed
            Would this procedure return the meter counts back to what they were before? Or just to prevent a reoccurrence?

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            • tsbservice
              Field tech

              Site Contributor
              5,000+ Posts
              • May 2007
              • 7998

              #7
              Re: total counter changes

              Originally posted by mike_hartung
              Would this procedure return the meter counts back to what they were before? Or just to prevent a reoccurrence?
              Luckily I haven't had to do it yet. I think old counter is lost but to prevent future failures. Did the machines mismatch only total counter, what about parts counts or anything else?
              A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
              Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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              • mike_hartung
                Technician
                • Dec 2009
                • 39

                #8
                Re: total counter changes

                I didn't think about the parts counters. I will have to check on those.

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                • Jumping Jack Flash
                  Technician
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 66

                  #9
                  Re: total counter changes

                  Originally posted by mike_hartung
                  I didn't think about the parts counters. I will have to check on those.
                  Mike, this is not a forum where fairy tales are told

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                  • femaster
                    Service Manager

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • May 2011
                    • 1489

                    #10
                    Re: total counter changes

                    Originally posted by Jumping Jack Flash
                    Mike, this is not a forum where fairy tales are told
                    That seems a bit harsh for no good reason. Especially from someone who has been a member for nearly 11 years and has accumulated a whole 31 posts, most of which seem to have happened in the last couple days.
                    A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
                    My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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                    • copyman
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                      • Sep 2005
                      • 4652

                      #11
                      Re: total counter changes

                      Originally posted by femaster
                      That seems a bit harsh for no good reason. Especially from someone who has been a member for nearly 11 years and has accumulated a whole 31 posts, most of which seem to have happened in the last couple days.
                      Agree this wasn't necessary. Mike asked a good original question. And also man enough to admit he didn't think about checking the parts, etc counters.

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