8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

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  • Don N.
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    • Nov 2011
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    8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?


    Question I posed on another thread about drum noise... This is not about that.

    I'd really like to know why the claim that the k drum is not the same as the cmy for the 8 series as it has been for the 0 and 4/e series. Yes there's a plastic stopper (easily removed). Then there's the chip. What else? I'm told you can't just chip an 8 series k drum as cmy... Why?
  • blackcat4866
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    #2
    Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

    So you'll pay a lot more for the color drums? =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
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    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • Don N.
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      #3
      Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

      I would think that a K drum plus cmy chip = color drum. Same on c220 DR311 and c224e DR512 but, I have it from a "respected engineer" at a vendor that insists he has a tested & proven solution but without that, you can't get away with it on an 8 series dr313. I don't want to just jump and say B.S. If he's being truthful, he's sitting on a lot of money to be made. Exactly the motivation for lying as well. We put a K & CMY side by side and see nothing evident but the side stopper & the chip.
      Anybody???

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      • femaster
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        • May 2011
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        #4
        Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

        Since I answered this in the other thread, here is a link to the answer. It will explain perfectly what the differences are...

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        • Don N.
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          #5
          Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

          Saw that. Thanks again!

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          • fatduke
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            • Jun 2020
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            #6
            Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

            Hi pal,

            for my own personal exp, you can't do the trick of CMYK on K drum like past series (chips included)

            I had trouble and then on this 8 series you need to buy original 8 series colour drum because either screws in new drum are calculated, so if you don't want to replace all plastic case of past series with plastic case of new 8 series for refurbishing all drum, for me, don't waste time and buy original series 8 color drum.

            I hope I was clear in explanation.

            Cheers :-)

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            • femaster
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              #7
              Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

              Originally posted by femaster
              Since I answered this in the other thread, here is a link to the answer. It will explain perfectly what the differences are...

              Bizhub C258 high pitch whine when copying/printing
              I have made a correction and clarification post with regards to my previous post on the subject at the link below...

              Bizhub C258 high pitch whine when copying/printing
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              My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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              • copier tech
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                • Jan 2014
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                #8
                Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                Originally posted by Don N.

                Question I posed on another thread about drum noise... This is not about that.

                I'd really like to know why the claim that the k drum is not the same as the cmy for the 8 series as it has been for the 0 and 4/e series. Yes there's a plastic stopper (easily removed). Then there's the chip. What else? I'm told you can't just chip an 8 series k drum as cmy... Why?
                Yes you can fit K to YMC. Swap the black plastic clamp behind the front blue cover & swap over the spacers from the ends of the drum & of course the chip.
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                • tsbservice
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                  #9
                  Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                  Originally posted by copier tech
                  Yes you can fit K to YMC. Swap the black plastic clamp behind the front blue cover & swap over the spacers from the ends of the drum & of course the chip.
                  Watch out for restyled DR313K drum unit where you cannot just swap end caps from color to K drum as before.
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                  • copier tech
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                    #10
                    Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                    Originally posted by tsbservice
                    Watch out for restyled DR313K drum unit where you cannot just swap end caps from color to K drum as before.
                    Why, what specifically have they changed?
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                    • tsbservice
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                      #11
                      Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                      Originally posted by copier tech
                      Why, what specifically have they changed?
                      The endings are redesigned. You byu new fresh K OEM drum from KM and will see. Can't just swap end cap with spacer.
                      A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
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                      • copier tech
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                        #12
                        Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                        Originally posted by tsbservice
                        The endings are redesigned. You byu new fresh K OEM drum from KM and will see. Can't just swap end cap with spacer.
                        What endings? You can simply use these from the original image unit!?
                        Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

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                        • tsbservice
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                          #13
                          Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                          Originally posted by copier tech
                          What endings? You can simply use these from the original image unit!?
                          Originally posted by tsbservice
                          The endings are redesigned. You byu new fresh K OEM drum from KM and will see. Can't just swap end cap with spacer.
                          Are you from Geheime Staatspolizei? What you didn't understand?
                          A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                          Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                          • copier tech
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                            #14
                            Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                            Originally posted by tsbservice
                            Are you from Geheime Staatspolizei? What you didn't understand?
                            Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

                            For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

                            www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

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                            • REGSIS
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                              #15
                              Re: 8 series K vs CMY drums. What's the diff?

                              Originally posted by tsbservice
                              The endings are redesigned. You byu new fresh K OEM drum from KM and will see. Can't just swap end cap with spacer.
                              I didn't have an oportunity to try this yet but can it be done by removing parts from DR313K and fitting them into DR313CMY used unit?
                              It take some time but saves a lot of money if machine is yours out in lease.
                              Parts for exchange: Drum cylinder, cleaning blade, charging roller, chargin roller cleaner.

                              I never played with these on customer owned machines.
                              Always sold them new CMY drums whatever series.

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