C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

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  • subalot
    Technician
    • Sep 2020
    • 39

    #31
    Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

    Originally posted by allan
    There are plenty of tricks to keep these machines running. Rebuild kits for the units.
    Humor yourself and get a quote for one of the image units. Also check what a new replacement is worth.
    Pricey stuff.
    You might be supersized that there are plenty of them in the bin somewhere out there.
    Awesome printer to have for printing tens of thousands of prints a month.

    Please take pics of your repair and then print some half-tones from service mode.
    Print them at 150 out of 255 and post that.

    What are you going to do with the machine, home printing use?
    Great of you to bring it back to use.

    What is the meter count on the machine?
    Check the consumable life.

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    • blackcat4866
      Master Of The Obvious

      Site Contributor
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      • Jul 2007
      • 23006

      #32
      Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

      Originally posted by subalot
      ... hopefully, things turn out nicely-i did the right thing bringing her home, did i???
      Time will tell. Try printing this, when you get it back together:
      Attached Files
      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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      • subalot
        Technician
        • Sep 2020
        • 39

        #33
        Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

        Originally posted by tsbservice
        Good thread to read. At least you returned us the faith that someone untrained and obviously inexperienced has the thinking and will assist to the best he can in truly respectful way. Wonderful!
        Sometimes small miracles happen
        Thank you Sir, you just literally made my day. As i am drinking my morning cup of coffee, i am reading your kind reply and suddenly, out of the blue, my eyes start leaking a liquid reassembling printer oil-lets hope the oil-waste container is not beyond it lifestyle as well

        I am truly grateful and thankful as well to everybody replying to my thread, and on top i am very glad that i can deliver^^ being respectful, showing courtesy and at least trying to use the marble sitting between my shoulders to figure things out i am not familiar with...and of course->do as you are told when knowledgeable guys are willing to provide!!!

        i hope you have a very nice day over there Sir, thank you again for such nice words!!! i am truly touched here at my end.

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        • subalot
          Technician
          • Sep 2020
          • 39

          #34
          Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

          Originally posted by blackcat4866
          Time will tell. Try printing this, when you get it back together:
          Update: I fixed the page coverage issue thanks to your solution you kindly provided. You Sir, are a truly a Saint!!!!
          upon lifting the assy and mounting the arm to the metal rod i found the missing washer as well^^

          as i am struggling uploading attachments, please find here the Dropbox-link to the ANSI-printout you provided the file.


          Dropbox - ANSI-B.pdf - Simplify your life


          it doesn't look pretty, but it if fully covering the page at least!!


          please find attached the meter count&consumables printout. text-printout looks somewhat decent imho...color is another story tho, told by the ANSI B printout.

          my guts tell me that the following posts regarding the analyses of the ANSI B printout will be somehow about flexing a certain muscle...unfortunately due to market conditions that particular muscle is somewhat mutilated at my end over here at the given time.

          anyways-looking at the bright side of the printout today it seemed unlikely to get full page coverage a view days ago^^

          Thank you again Sir for providing the ANSI-B-File, Very interesting to say at least!!!
          Attached Files
          Last edited by subalot; 10-01-2020, 02:02 PM. Reason: grammar as usual^^ and added some lines of text, higher resolution dropbox images

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          • blackcat4866
            Master Of The Obvious

            Site Contributor
            10,000+ Posts
            • Jul 2007
            • 23006

            #35
            Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

            Cyan developer, possibly yellow developer, maybe fuser too. Were these printed on Letter, Letter-R, or Ledger paper size?

            My guess is Ledger.

            Clean the laser slit glasses, and run the stabilization and gradation.

            I hope you didn't hurt yourself hoisting this monstrosity out of the dumpster?

            By count it's just a baby, barely to it's first consumable change. By years it's a senior citizen.
            =^..^=
            Last edited by blackcat4866; 10-01-2020, 01:52 PM.
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • tsbservice
              Field tech

              Site Contributor
              5,000+ Posts
              • May 2007
              • 8007

              #36
              Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

              I see Cyan and K developer but agree clean first slits...
              A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
              Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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              • subalot
                Technician
                • Sep 2020
                • 39

                #37
                Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                Originally posted by blackcat4866
                Cyan developer, possibly yellow developer, maybe fuser too. Were these printed on Letter, Letter-R, or Ledger paper size?

                My guess is Ledger.

                Clean the laser slit glasses, and run the stabilization and gradation.

                I hope you didn't hurt yourself hoisting this monstrosity out of the dumpster?

                By count it's just a baby, barely to it's first consumable change. By years it's a senior citizen.
                =^..^=
                i printed on standard A3 paper, closest to 17"x11" i guess.

                Cyan developer is most certainly gone i guess because P-6 Error came along today. Yellow low toner warning is also present.

                please let the fusing unit be undamaged, as i do not see any possibility of self repair here.
                (i do have an somewhat unused unit here, it was in the box next to the machine when i picked her up, but it is from another machine,i think its from a c252, dunno if internal parts of the Fuser itself would be interchangeable)

                i will have to look up where exactly the laser slit glass would sit of course, thank you.
                Running stabilization and gradation does not ring a bell on my end here either-will check back later Sir!!!
                (i have to educate myself what exactly you are meaning by "running" that and what i have to do here to follow your advice^^)

                so by judging the meter count at least it could have been worth the hassle rolling such a girthy girl back to my place yes, i do admit it was borderline stupid moving this heavy machine all by myself^^

                IU and Finisher on the other hand doesn't look so rosy at all

                +UPDATE:
                did the swab cleaning on the laser slit.
                image stabilization did run thru-gradation printed out as well and scanned 1 time. the second time around i accidentally put a piece of paper in the Scanner-ADF. possibly therefore the process stopped and exited out of admin settings. maybe i touched the wrong button accidentally?

                now, when trying the gradation process, beginning with image stabilization of course, it cant finish that and there is an message:

                Unable to adjust gradation due to an alert.

                please find the gradation pattern printout here:

                Dropbox - gradation pattern.pdf - Simplify your life
                Last edited by subalot; 10-01-2020, 05:24 PM. Reason: wording & status update

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                • tsbservice
                  Field tech

                  Site Contributor
                  5,000+ Posts
                  • May 2007
                  • 8007

                  #38
                  Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                  Originally posted by subalot
                  Thank you Sir, you just literally made my day. As i am drinking my morning cup of coffee, i am reading your kind reply and suddenly, out of the blue, my eyes start leaking a liquid reassembling printer oil-lets hope the oil-waste container is not beyond it lifestyle as well

                  I am truly grateful and thankful as well to everybody replying to my thread, and on top i am very glad that i can deliver^^ being respectful, showing courtesy and at least trying to use the marble sitting between my shoulders to figure things out i am not familiar with...and of course->do as you are told when knowledgeable guys are willing to provide!!!

                  i hope you have a very nice day over there Sir, thank you again for such nice words!!! i am truly touched here at my end.
                  Same to you mate.
                  For sure as community we really appreciate your input, wordings and striving.

                  Good luck!
                  A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                  Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                  • blackcat4866
                    Master Of The Obvious

                    Site Contributor
                    10,000+ Posts
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 23006

                    #39
                    Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                    It probably won't be able to do a gradation with the cyan so poorly represented. If you can get a cyan IU start there, then try the stabilization and gradation again. =^..^=
                    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                    • Synaux
                      Service Manager

                      Site Contributor
                      1,000+ Posts
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 1224

                      #40
                      Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                      After, a thorough cleaning, I bet this will print a lot of things out just fine especially if set to K only (really depends on the situation). Low coverage prints will likely be acceptable. Also, you can wash the Transfer roller but make sure it dries completely or you will have problems--and clean out the transfer belt waste section.

                      However, photos and rich colors (especially blues and greens) will not print out right until you replace the C IU

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                      • subalot
                        Technician
                        • Sep 2020
                        • 39

                        #41
                        Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                        c452.jpgphoto_2020-10-02_08-40-55.jpgphoto_2020-10-02_08-40-51.jpgphoto_2020-10-02_08-40-46.jpg


                        I got rid of p-32 error and p-28 error as well.
                        cleaned 3 augers behind the fusing unit.

                        removed this part and unscrewed the metal blade and cleaned out some white dust under there too.
                        photo_2020-10-02_08-50-18.jpg

                        please find attached some test prints from the user/page setup

                        Dropbox - SKMBT_C45220100206090.pdf - Simplify your life
                        Last edited by subalot; 10-02-2020, 08:10 AM. Reason: grammar

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                        • Bix
                          Service Manager

                          1,000+ Posts
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 1421

                          #42
                          Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                          gg bro!

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                          • blackcat4866
                            Master Of The Obvious

                            Site Contributor
                            10,000+ Posts
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 23006

                            #43
                            Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                            Great work. From the attachments I still see issues with cyan and yellow. The paper dust collector does fill right up, doesn't it. Eventually you'll get paper skew and jamming if it gets too full.

                            Maybe someone here has a slightly less used fuser for you. I'll take a walk through the graveyard.

                            Not many folks could have done that repair. Cudos! =^..^=I
                            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                            • Synaux
                              Service Manager

                              Site Contributor
                              1,000+ Posts
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 1224

                              #44
                              Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                              L-1 thru 4 just means an IU has gone past its life.

                              That "furry" roller can be cleaned with soap and water if you want to attempt to take it out and you can get new orange rollers on the interwebs. (That is, if you are feeling adventurous--the fuser is typically sold as one unit but now there are distributors for parts. Same goes for the IUs and transfer belt I only mention this as you wanted the cheapest possible solution but this method is a gamble and a test of your ability to take things apart and put them together again [with no spare parts]).

                              Not sure why you suddenly got that immense background on the latest test prints you attached. Looks like more color IUs to add to the shopping list to me (Y & M)...

                              The C IU is the newest but exhibiting catastrophic failure. Take it out and clean all connections on the rear of the IU and check for electrical scorch marks as well as inside the machine.

                              Also, ensure the toner is genuine (I guess compare to pictures on google).

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                              • subalot
                                Technician
                                • Sep 2020
                                • 39

                                #45
                                Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                                Originally posted by blackcat4866
                                Great work. From the attachments I still see issues with cyan and yellow. The paper dust collector does fill right up, doesn't it. Eventually you'll get paper skew and jamming if it gets too full.

                                Maybe someone here has a slightly less used fuser for you. I'll take a walk through the graveyard.

                                Not many folks could have done that repair. Cudos! =^..^=I

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