C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

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  • subalot
    Technician
    • Sep 2020
    • 39

    #1

    C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

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  • Bix
    Service Manager

    1,000+ Posts
    • Apr 2018
    • 1421

    #2
    Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

    Hi, I think you should go to a technician but the printer is very old so I doubt anyone will come to fix it for you.
    The consumables also look worn out. Here it could be TBI and UI. But that's a lot of money

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    • Synthohol
      Certified Konica Expert

      Site Contributor
      5,000+ Posts
      • Mar 2016
      • 5695

      #3
      Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

      print the 4 gradations in test mode in service, they can reveal a lot.
      We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
      The medication helps though...

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      • copier tech
        Field Supervisor

        5,000+ Posts
        • Jan 2014
        • 8071

        #4
        Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!


        Great story thanks!


        To be honest it could be anything but from looking at your sample its possible the drums have been exposed to sunlight & are damaged or if it was left outside could be condensation formed in the laser etc.

        Leave it on for a few hours & every so often run 10 or so double sided prints/copies see if it gradually improves.

        Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

        For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

        www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

        ​

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        • copyman
          Owner / Technician

          Site Contributor
          2,500+ Posts
          • Sep 2005
          • 4451

          #5
          Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

          Appreciate your honesty and the effort. Ha-ha I've done a little dumpster diving myself in the past.

          I'm a believer if you are able to get paper to exit a Kon/Min copier without any service "trouble" codes (the codes you have are warning codes all related to print quality) than there is life left in machine

          I wouldn't put a lot of $$ into it but you may be able to find Image units really cheap on ebay. If you give machine a good cleaning and new Image units you should be good to go. Use ONLY genuine Kon/Min toner, also prob very cheap on ebay.

          Best of luck

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          • Max
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Oct 2011
            • 537

            #6
            Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

            First thing 1st. Clean the laser glass x4 with the magic wand. The wand should be in the 2nd tray. Check the transfer roller, sometimes clip brakes at the back end. Will give you a partial copy. Could be many other thing also tbh.

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            • blackcat4866
              Master Of The Obvious

              Site Contributor
              10,000+ Posts
              • Jul 2007
              • 22882

              #7
              Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

              Unless you plan to start your own C452 graveyard, it's going to be frustrating and expensive (if you are able to find the parts you need).

              Before you dedicate too much time and resources, dig a deep hole out behind the garage, shove it in, then cover it up. Then forget where you buried it. =^..^=
              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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              • M94
                Trusted Tech

                Site Contributor
                100+ Posts
                • Jul 2020
                • 158

                #8
                Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                Yeah TBH unless this is a pet project and you just want to work on it for the hell of it the cheapest way to get a few hundred to a few thousand pages is to spend 80$ on a random consumer printer. If you do want to just play with it I would definitely run the thing every other hour for a week just to see how much of it can be run through and then after that you kind of need to check every component that's involved, get a manual and start reading would be about the best advice I could give you. As a fellow IT that's only been into printers for a few months, you have bitten off more than you expected to chew. Not that you won't be able to figure it out given enough time and research but it is likely to be more involved than you imagined.

                Good luck

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                • subalot
                  Technician
                  • Sep 2020
                  • 39

                  #9
                  Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                  Originally posted by Synthohol
                  print the 4 gradations in test mode in service, they can reveal a lot.
                  Dear Sir, i am doing as told of course.
                  Upload fails constantly, maybe due to vpn.
                  please find a dropbox link attatched.


                  Dropbox - 20200929082001445.pdf - Simplify your life

                  i will try to upload scanned printouts again later Sir.

                  thank you for your answer!!!
                  best regards
                  Last edited by subalot; 09-29-2020, 12:59 PM. Reason: grammar, file attatchment failed

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                  • subalot
                    Technician
                    • Sep 2020
                    • 39

                    #10
                    Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                    Originally posted by copier tech

                    Great story thanks!


                    To be honest it could be anything but from looking at your sample its possible the drums have been exposed to sunlight & are damaged or if it was left outside could be condensation formed in the laser etc.

                    Leave it on for a few hours & every so often run 10 or so double sided prints/copies see if it gradually improves.

                    I am very glad i could entertain^^thank you:-)

                    will do that of course as well-i truly appreciate your kind answer!

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                    • subalot
                      Technician
                      • Sep 2020
                      • 39

                      #11
                      Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                      Originally posted by Max
                      First thing 1st. Clean the laser glass x4 with the magic wand. The wand should be in the 2nd tray. Check the transfer roller, sometimes clip brakes at the back end. Will give you a partial copy. Could be many other thing also tbh.
                      Magic wand was the fist thing i did "to" the machine. will check the transfer roller-once i figured out what excactly i do have to check there-yes i do have a field service manual for the device:-)
                      i am aware that this could get quickly out of hand-therefore i decided to admit i am not capable doing this and i do have to rely on community kindess here^^

                      thank you for your input, best regards:-)

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                      • subalot
                        Technician
                        • Sep 2020
                        • 39

                        #12
                        Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                        Originally posted by copyman
                        Appreciate your honesty and the effort. Ha-ha I've done a little dumpster diving myself in the past.

                        I'm a believer if you are able to get paper to exit a Kon/Min copier without any service "trouble" codes (the codes you have are warning codes all related to print quality) than there is life left in machine

                        I wouldn't put a lot of $$ into it but you may be able to find Image units really cheap on ebay. If you give machine a good cleaning and new Image units you should be good to go. Use ONLY genuine Kon/Min toner, also prob very cheap on ebay.

                        Best of luck
                        Last edited by subalot; 09-29-2020, 08:23 AM. Reason: grammar

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                        • subalot
                          Technician
                          • Sep 2020
                          • 39

                          #13
                          Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                          Originally posted by blackcat4866
                          Unless you plan to start your own C452 graveyard, it's going to be frustrating and expensive (if you are able to find the parts you need).

                          Before you dedicate too much time and resources, dig a deep hole out behind the garage, shove it in, then cover it up. Then forget where you buried it. =^..^=
                          Yes Sir, i do have 2500 square-feet garden which would be able to "hide" several of those^^

                          Hiring landscape-guys/gardener now!!!

                          thank you so much for your honest answer, of couse all the best to you^^

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                          • rrrohan
                            Service Manager

                            Site Contributor
                            1,000+ Posts
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 1976

                            #14
                            Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                            gonna be funny when the next person to own that home finds it when digging in backyard

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                            • Synthohol
                              Certified Konica Expert

                              Site Contributor
                              5,000+ Posts
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 5695

                              #15
                              Re: C452 Dumpster to the Rescu(r)e!?!

                              looks to me like the 2nd transfer pressure assy is broken, like only 1/2 of the transfer roller is making contact with the belt.
                              We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                              The medication helps though...

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