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  • technics1210
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    • Oct 2020
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    Use Toner for C360 in a C364

    Hello,
    I have a lot of toners for a Bizub C360. However, I no longer have the printer. Now it's a C364.
    Can I transfer the toner to the cartridge for C364?
    How does the level indicator work?

    Thanks
  • Synthohol
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    Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

    it goes by the chip on the bottle, not the volume of contents.
    sorry i cannot help the other question, in the 22+ years working on copiers i have never needed or wanted to try toner not specifically made for that model.
    in fact, i've walked off a job when the owners of the company were ok with doing that.
    We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
    The medication helps though...

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    • eccelobo
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      #3
      Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

      Originally posted by technics1210
      Hello,
      I have a lot of toners for a Bizub C360. However, I no longer have the printer. Now it's a C364.
      Can I transfer the toner to the cartridge for C364?
      How does the level indicator work?

      Thanks
      I just use toner for C8000 in both C360 and C364 models and never had a trouble.
      The chip is fot the indication of amount. You can use the same chip, it will indicate zero but it lets you print (unless the bottle gets empty and then you'll have to replace the chip).
      Good Luck!

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      • Copier Addict
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        #4
        Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

        Originally posted by technics1210
        Hello,
        I have a lot of toners for a Bizub C360. However, I no longer have the printer. Now it's a C364.
        Can I transfer the toner to the cartridge for C364?
        How does the level indicator work?

        Thanks
        The toner level bar graph gets reset after a toner empty condition is reached and the front door is opened. The chip on the C364e toner only tells the machine that the toner bottle is present, it does not have a counter on it.

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        • allan
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          Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

          Only K will be the same the colors will not replenish the developer and your dev tanks will fail way before yield.

          In fact the dev tank yield will be the same as for a C360 on your C364.
          Whatever

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          • tsbservice
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            Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

            Both C360 in a C364 machines don't have chips on toner cartridges. And as allan said you need to control amount of CMY developers very closely because there isn't developer in color toners for C360.
            A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
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            • tsbservice
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              Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

              Originally posted by allan
              ...
              In fact the dev tank yield will be the same as for a C360 on your C364.
              That would be ouch if he makes a lot of color copies. CMY developer units life 4 times shorter than expected.
              A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
              Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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              • allan
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                Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                Originally posted by tsbservice
                That would be ouch if he makes a lot of color copies. CMY developer units life 4 times shorter than expected.

                Ninja move will be to get generic CMY developers and adding small amounts to the toners. A table spoon on a bottle should do the trick.
                Excess dev should be discarded into the waste box...
                Whatever

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                • technics1210
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                  #9
                  Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                  okay, then it's not as easy as I thought.
                  I think I'll test a color and then let's see.

                  Thanks for your help

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                  • Synthohol
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                    Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                    Originally posted by tsbservice
                    Both C360 in a C364 machines don't have chips on toner cartridges. And as allan said you need to control amount of CMY developers very closely because there isn't developer in color toners for C360.
                    Then what is this?
                    Attached Files
                    We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                    The medication helps though...

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                    • allan
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                      Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                      Originally posted by Synthohol
                      Then what is this?
                      TN512 chip? C454, C554.

                      TN321 does not have a chip.

                      Chip is nothing but a fuse. Only for new article detection and resting the bars.

                      Believe there is a SW to fool the machine.
                      Whatever

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                      • allan
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                        Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                        I take the TN512 chip off for the 364 machines and cut the fins to make it fit.
                        Then use the fuse from the chip to reset the drums and devtanks.

                        TN512 cheaper than TN321.
                        Whatever

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                        • copyman
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                          #13
                          Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                          Originally posted by Synthohol
                          it goes by the chip on the bottle, not the volume of contents.
                          sorry i cannot help the other question, in the 22+ years working on copiers i have never needed or wanted to try toner not specifically made for that model.
                          in fact, i've walked off a job when the owners of the company were ok with doing that.
                          There are no chips on these toners. It would probably work since drums, developer powder & blades are the same (not the complete units just aftermarket drums,blades & dev powder)

                          I wouldn't attempt on a customers machine but if your machine or a machine in shop give it a try. I have swapped toners a few times from one model to another in a pinch with no problems.

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                          • tsbservice
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                            Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                            Originally posted by Synthohol
                            Then what is this?
                            Toner cartridge set board.
                            A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                            Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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                            • allan
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                              #15
                              Re: Use Toner for C360 in a C364

                              Originally posted by copyman
                              There are no chips on these toners. It would probably work since drums, developer powder & blades are the same (not the complete units just aftermarket drums,blades & dev powder)

                              I wouldn't attempt on a customers machine but if your machine or a machine in shop give it a try. I have swapped toners a few times from one model to another in a pinch with no problems.
                              Problem i have with rebuilding these would be that the charge unit corrodes before you can get max value.
                              Whatever

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