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  • jwai
    Trusted Tech

    250+ Posts
    • May 2018
    • 497

    Finisher disappeared

    Hello,

    I have one 654e that FS-534 finisher had been installed.
    The customer reported paper jam, I found the stapling option has been disappeared in finishing mode.
    Now I disassembly the FS and RU for temporarily use, this issue caused by the finisher board or the harness to the copier?

    Best regards,
  • tmmdmmm
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    100+ Posts
    • Apr 2021
    • 173

    #2
    Re: Finisher disappeared

    Originally posted by jwai
    Hello,

    I have one 654e that FS-534 finisher had been installed.
    The customer reported paper jam, I found the stapling option has been disappeared in finishing mode.
    Now I disassembly the FS and RU for temporarily use, this issue caused by the finisher board or the harness to the copier?

    Best regards,
    When you open the front door it should show the entire machine and any accessories installed. If it only shows the 654 and not the relay or finisher, either the wiring is bad or (more likely) the finisher control board is bad.

    Thats assuming the jam is happening at the first tires of the RU

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    • emujo2
      Service Manager

      1,000+ Posts
      • Mar 2017
      • 1580

      #3
      Re: Finisher disappeared

      here's what is probably happening. The stapler had an issue that the machine based as a problem, but not catastrophic. The user was asked if they wanted to continue using the machine w/o the staple option, if so push the power save button (or something like that). The machine now reboots with stapler disabled. If this is the cause, then every time you cycle power it should go through the same sequence of events again. The power off/on tells the machine you fixed the issue, bring the stapler back, if you didn't fix it you get the previous message and the cycle repeats. If this is not the case then you should be getting a staple error/service code (unless someone disabled the stapler is service mode. There are no KM finishers that do not have stapling capability. Not speaking of the A4 line. E

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      • Gab
        Senior Tech
        • Aug 2015
        • 633

        #4
        Re: Finisher disappeared

        Originally posted by jwai
        Hello,

        I have one 654e that FS-534 finisher had been installed.
        The customer reported paper jam, I found the stapling option has been disappeared in finishing mode.
        Now I disassembly the FS and RU for temporarily use, this issue caused by the finisher board or the harness to the copier?

        Best regards,
        no connection finisher with machine. Perhaps a wire from connector is moved

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        • albemero
          Technician
          • Apr 2019
          • 37

          #5
          Re: Finisher disappeared

          We had the same problem. It was the finischer-board.

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          • tmmdmmm
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            Site Contributor
            100+ Posts
            • Apr 2021
            • 173

            #6
            Re: Finisher disappeared

            Originally posted by tmmdmmm
            When you open the front door it should show the entire machine and any accessories installed. If it only shows the 654 and not the relay or finisher, either the wiring is bad or (more likely) the finisher control board is bad.

            Thats assuming the jam is happening at the first tires of the RU
            Got an update? Just looking for future reference if there's anything but the FS board I and others mentioned

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            • jwai
              Trusted Tech

              250+ Posts
              • May 2018
              • 497

              #7
              Re: Finisher disappeared

              Originally posted by albemero
              We had the same problem. It was the finischer-board.
              I ordered one FS board and waiting for delivery.

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              • jwai
                Trusted Tech

                250+ Posts
                • May 2018
                • 497

                #8
                Re: Finisher disappeared

                Originally posted by tmmdmmm
                When you open the front door it should show the entire machine and any accessories installed. If it only shows the 654 and not the relay or finisher, either the wiring is bad or (more likely) the finisher control board is bad.

                Thats assuming the jam is happening at the first tires of the RU

                The machine figure doesn't have finisher showed, I guess the FS board may be defective.

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                • blackcat4866
                  Master Of The Obvious

                  Site Contributor
                  10,000+ Posts
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 22698

                  #9
                  Re: Finisher disappeared

                  If the cable from the bridge to the finisher is unplugged, then replugged in live it will blow the bridge board or the finisher board. I had a customer that moved around a bunch of machines, but could not seem to find the power switches. =^..^=
                  If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                  1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                  2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                  3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                  4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                  5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                  blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                  • Synthohol
                    Certified Konica Expert

                    Site Contributor
                    5,000+ Posts
                    • Mar 2016
                    • 5457

                    #10
                    Re: Finisher disappeared

                    Originally posted by blackcat4866
                    If the cable from the bridge to the finisher is unplugged, then replugged in live it will blow the bridge board or the finisher board. I had a customer that moved around a bunch of machines, but could not seem to find the power switches. =^..^=
                    ^^^^^^^^^^+1^^^^^^^^
                    We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                    The medication helps though...

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                    • rrrohan
                      Service Manager

                      Site Contributor
                      1,000+ Posts
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1971

                      #11
                      Re: Finisher disappeared

                      ive had C754 totally forget it even had a finisher after waking up from power save.

                      if you reboot with full power off then on it works again

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                      • femaster
                        Service Manager

                        1,000+ Posts
                        • May 2011
                        • 1417

                        #12
                        Re: Finisher disappeared

                        Originally posted by tmmdmmm
                        Got an update? Just looking for future reference if there's anything but the FS board I and others mentioned
                        I'm not the OP, but the 4 times we've had this happen on this model finisher, every time was a bad board in the finisher. Nothing looked fried, and the fuse was still intact on all of them, so no idea what it was that failed on any of them.
                        A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
                        My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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