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  • Otto Rheeney
    Average Printing Guy
    • Sep 2024
    • 20

    #1

    [Misc] KM bizhub C360i Cyan toner consumption rate.

    Hello,

    I am encountering an issue with the Cyan toner consumption rate.

    The normal yield for 1x Cyan toner is 28K pages (as with other color toner cartridges). I would approximate our printing/ copying use on a daily basis would account for about 5% of the total copies in the cartridge's life (in a single day). Which should be around 1400 pages a day and since the configurations and print runs are consistent, I'm looking at around 2 weeks or optimally 20 days of life before it is completely depleted.

    I am stressing this due to our Cyan cartridge not lasting more than a single day of use or even a single HOUR.

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    The above are pictures of the Cyan toner cartridge holster/ tray, with the sensor in sight. Not sure if this would be significant but, just placing here.

    I did however take some pictures of something that may be a symptom of the above stated. Please see below.

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    The above was collected from the waste toner box. Normally the emptied waste toner box contents would be greyish in color and dull; not a singular color as seen above. The Cyan color was in full display as collected toner waste. Below is a picture of the waste toner box before it was emptied.
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    ​There were no error codes shown throughout the use of the machine so, whenever we would run prints the Cyan toner would be siphoned unknowingly. We've never had an issue like this before. ​​We've contacted tech assistance from our local Konica Minolta distributor but, they weren't able to conclusively determine what was wrong with the machine/ toner cartridge.

    Mentions of a faulty developing unit/ faulty drum unit and TCR readings were given as presumptions. Please see below for the pictures and readings:
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    They also stated that the TCR reading for Cyan was abnormally low. The technician then proceeded to check the developing unit and added some toner dust from the TN328 cartridge into the developing unit to "stabilize" the levels. Ran a stabilizer and imaging process before testing again however, the toner depletion rate did not change.

    In a recent test I ran a copy of a booklet (A3 sized) with the configuration seen in the video below. It used 1% of the toner supply within the cartridge by merely printing out 11 sheets of paper. It was reduced from 81% to 80% in just a minute, may seem insignificant but, that is not the standard consumption rate.

    Technical advice would be greatly appreciated. I apologize as I have no other information to contextualize this i.e. Jam codes, error codes due to the fact that there weren't any. If require any other information, please let me know in your responses.
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  • Slammers
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Feb 2019
    • 156

    #2
    NOTE I cannot see your images that you posted, unsure what is happening there! SO just going off your descriptions.

    Honestly, just replace the Cyan Developer unit. The TCR value is out of spec and a tech has alrerady had to band aid fix it by refilling manually.
    However, there is one further thing to check before throwing parts at it: the hopper level detection paddle could need re-seated, but this usualy manifests as a density code and the dev doesnt recieve toner, where you clearly have no issue with the toner getting to the unit.

    The only other part than can empty a dev so quickly into the waste is the drum unit itself, so maybe some checks on voltages.

    If i was in that position and I couldnt verify the integrity of the C Drum I would replace the C Dev and C Drum together.

    If someone else can maybe see the images and data they may have more to say.

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    • copyman
      Owner / Technician

      Site Contributor
      2,500+ Posts
      • Sep 2005
      • 4762

      #3
      If you have any consumables especially the cyan drum that life counters are 0% need to be replaced. When consumables are overlife they can short out causing excessive toner use that will go right into waste box. Agree with Slammers I would start by replacing the cyan drum & developer unit.

      Also are you using genuine Kon Min toner?

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      • Otto Rheeney
        Average Printing Guy
        • Sep 2024
        • 20

        #4
        Originally posted by Slammers
        NOTE I cannot see your images that you posted, unsure what is happening there! SO just going off your descriptions.

        Honestly, just replace the Cyan Developer unit. The TCR value is out of spec and a tech has alrerady had to band aid fix it by refilling manually.
        However, there is one further thing to check before throwing parts at it: the hopper level detection paddle could need re-seated, but this usualy manifests as a density code and the dev doesnt recieve toner, where you clearly have no issue with the toner getting to the unit.

        The only other part than can empty a dev so quickly into the waste is the drum unit itself, so maybe some checks on voltages.

        If i was in that position and I couldnt verify the integrity of the C Drum I would replace the C Dev and C Drum together.

        If someone else can maybe see the images and data they may have more to say.
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        Cyan cartridge holster/ slot.

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        Waste toner box contents
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        Waste toner box before emptying
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        TCR reading
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        • Otto Rheeney
          Average Printing Guy
          • Sep 2024
          • 20

          #5
          Originally posted by copyman
          If you have any consumables especially the cyan drum that life counters are 0% need to be replaced. When consumables are overlife they can short out causing excessive toner use that will go right into waste box. Agree with Slammers I would start by replacing the cyan drum & developer unit.

          Also are you using genuine Kon Min toner?
          Thanks, and noted.

          We have been using genuine Konica Minolta toner. I even tested this with non-OEM toner bottles and it didn't change.

          The issue perhaps does not lie with the toner bottles themselves and more than likely the drum unit + developing unit as you stated.

          Just a query, when you mean state "overlife" are you referring to using the part past the 0% mark point.

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          • copier tech
            Field Supervisor

            5,000+ Posts
            • Jan 2014
            • 8200

            #6
            Originally posted by Ziggy
            I was told on this forum that the ineo 258 and Konica c258 was the same
            This issue has been happening with Konica Minolta devices since the 4 series & is STILL happening now.

            There has been loads of bulletins on this issue.

            Check these sensors are clean as the device could be constantly supplying toner to the Cyan DV unit.



            Excess Toner Consumption and or C255x errors.pdf


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            • Otto Rheeney
              Average Printing Guy
              • Sep 2024
              • 20

              #7
              Originally posted by copier tech

              This issue has been happening with Konica Minolta devices since the 4 series & is STILL happening now.

              There has been loads of bulletins on this issue.

              Check these sensors are clean as the device could be constantly supplying toner to the Cyan DV unit.



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              Thanks for the info and document.

              I'll have a read and also submit to the local distributor tech service guys.

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              • JasonSBE
                Trusted Tech

                Site Contributor
                100+ Posts
                • Apr 2014
                • 187

                #8
                In addition to the developer, I'd check the sensors on the sub-hopper. If some toner managed to block the sensor, the machine will keep trying to add toner thinking the sub-hopper is empty. I had this happen once before with a C658 so now I check it every time.

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                • Otto Rheeney
                  Average Printing Guy
                  • Sep 2024
                  • 20

                  #9
                  Originally posted by JasonSBE
                  In addition to the developer, I'd check the sensors on the sub-hopper. If some toner managed to block the sensor, the machine will keep trying to add toner thinking the sub-hopper is empty. I had this happen once before with a C658 so now I check it every time.
                  Thanks for the info I'll have that checked out as well.

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