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  • jwai
    Senior Tech

    500+ Posts
    • May 2018
    • 504

    #1

    C224e image problem

    Hello,

    One customer called print quality no good.
    I got test print the pattern is so strange, G 100% to 80% changed blue, one yellow block missed, and yellow edged.
    The machine displayed P5, P8, P21.
    I tried to replace Y drum, Y developing unit, checked transfer unit and print head unit but still same.

    Any ideas about this case?
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  • Albonline
    Service Manager

    1,000+ Posts
    • Sep 2008
    • 1138

    #2
    Re: C224e image problem

    print head.

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    • allan
      RTFM!!

      5,000+ Posts
      • Apr 2010
      • 5459

      #3
      Re: C224e image problem

      Print and post half tones. You yellow is still a problem.

      P5 IDCS error because of missing yellow.
      P8 yellow not developing all the way.
      P21 registration failure because of missing yellow.

      Hope its not pulling all the yellow toner and dev from your new tank. (check waste box for yellow toner).
      Looks in the sample like there is something contaminating the side of the charge unit on the yellow drum.
      Whatever

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      • jwai
        Senior Tech

        500+ Posts
        • May 2018
        • 504

        #4
        Re: C224e image problem

        Originally posted by allan
        Print and post half tones. You yellow is still a problem.

        P5 IDCS error because of missing yellow.
        P8 yellow not developing all the way.
        P21 registration failure because of missing yellow.

        Hope its not pulling all the yellow toner and dev from your new tank. (check waste box for yellow toner).
        Looks in the sample like there is something contaminating the side of the charge unit on the yellow drum.
        I printed half tone the rear side 1/5 of yellow on A4 is very light, so I replaced one Y drum and Y developing unit but no solve.
        Removed the print head, cleaned it still same.

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        • Albonline
          Service Manager

          1,000+ Posts
          • Sep 2008
          • 1138

          #5
          Re: C224e image problem

          Originally posted by Albonline
          print head.
          Ld failure at higher output power levels , seen it a few times was always in filthy environments.

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          • allan
            RTFM!!

            5,000+ Posts
            • Apr 2010
            • 5459

            #6
            Re: C224e image problem

            Originally posted by jwai
            Hello,

            One customer called print quality no good.
            I got test print the pattern is so strange, G 100% to 80% changed blue, one yellow block missed, and yellow edged.
            The machine displayed P5, P8, P21.
            I tried to replace Y drum, Y developing unit, checked transfer unit and print head unit but still same.

            Any ideas about this case?

            What direction was the sample printed LEF or SEF?
            All four lasers use a common polygon so hopefully if its the PH then you should be able to open up the PH and clean the optics for yellow only? seems unlikely.
            Otherwise the LD like mentioned could be shot. Replacing the PH would fix it.
            Do you get a difference in that 1/5 missing if you print a half tone at 255 vs 125?
            If you print at 125 does any of the other color seem to be affected?

            Just that yellow on the edge of the scanned sample bothers me.
            Whatever

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            • Synthohol
              Certified Konica Expert

              Site Contributor
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              • Mar 2016
              • 5751

              #7
              Re: C224e image problem

              Last time I saw that it was just firmware that fixed it.
              The built in image gets corrupted.
              I would just try firmware before replacing anything else.
              We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
              The medication helps though...

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              • allan
                RTFM!!

                5,000+ Posts
                • Apr 2010
                • 5459

                #8
                Re: C224e image problem

                Originally posted by Synthohol
                Last time I saw that it was just firmware that fixed it.
                The built in image gets corrupted.
                I would just try firmware before replacing anything else.

                Seen where the text goes missing from the demo page. "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" bit goes missing.
                The P codes shows engine trouble.
                Whatever

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                • tsbservice
                  Field tech

                  Site Contributor
                  5,000+ Posts
                  • May 2007
                  • 7936

                  #9
                  Re: C224e image problem

                  Originally posted by Albonline
                  Ld failure at higher output power levels , seen it a few times was always in filthy environments.
                  Haven't seen this failure exactly but anytime would rely on Albonline experience.
                  jwai swap PH unit with known good working one. Let us know.
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                  • Albonline
                    Service Manager

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1138

                    #10
                    Re: C224e image problem

                    A dead giveaway test would be gradation pattern output lef. yellow halftone at mid and full power. also lef.

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                    • jwai
                      Senior Tech

                      500+ Posts
                      • May 2018
                      • 504

                      #11
                      Re: C224e image problem

                      Originally posted by tsbservice
                      Haven't seen this failure exactly but anytime would rely on Albonline experience.
                      jwai swap PH unit with known good working one. Let us know.
                      Yup, I try to swap PH unit for test, hope can be fixed.

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                      • jwai
                        Senior Tech

                        500+ Posts
                        • May 2018
                        • 504

                        #12
                        Re: C224e image problem

                        Originally posted by allan
                        Print and post half tones. You yellow is still a problem.

                        P5 IDCS error because of missing yellow.
                        P8 yellow not developing all the way.
                        P21 registration failure because of missing yellow.

                        Hope its not pulling all the yellow toner and dev from your new tank. (check waste box for yellow toner).
                        Looks in the sample like there is something contaminating the side of the charge unit on the yellow drum.
                        Attached is half tone pattern.
                        Before I saw it, tried Y drum and Y developing unit, cleaned PH unit ( polygon mirror, mirrors inside, windows on cover ), checked transfer unit, no luck.
                        Attached Files

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                        • Albonline
                          Service Manager

                          1,000+ Posts
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1138

                          #13
                          Re: C224e image problem

                          Originally posted by jwai
                          Attached is half tone pattern.
                          Before I saw it, tried Y drum and Y developing unit, cleaned PH unit ( polygon mirror, mirrors inside, windows on cover ), checked transfer unit, no luck.

                          what does the image on the xfer belt look like? seeing your print outs i'd say this machine could use all new supplies.

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                          • Gift
                            Service Manager

                            1,000+ Posts
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 2455

                            #14
                            Re: C224e image problem

                            Try interrupting the test print and check if the density looks OK on the drum / transfer belt..

                            If the error is visible on the drum and you already swapped the yellow DV/drum. The laser might be faulty or you missed a spot while you cleaned it.

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                            • jwai
                              Senior Tech

                              500+ Posts
                              • May 2018
                              • 504

                              #15
                              Re: C224e image problem

                              Yup I solved it by replaced print head unit.
                              Thank you all for advice.

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