Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

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  • JERI
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    • Apr 2023
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    #1

    Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

    Hi all,

    I bought a used C458 which I started to dissassemble to see if I could repair it.

    I found there is a 2.5" HDD inside it, and also a small removable mSATA (?) card in it.

    My questions are, what's the purpose of both these two storage devices inside this kind of printer? I think maybe it would be possible to send a printjob over network to the printer and it is queued a while before printing.
    But I could be wrong.

    /Jeri
  • davidmtupper
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    Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

    That's part of it. They are also used as temp storage for scanning and storage of certain data files required by the copier (movie files and pdf/a info in particular, maybe others). Also used for storing the document box(es), when you scan a doc in so it can be printed on demand at the copier.

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    • Ziggy
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      Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

      Originally posted by JERI
      Hi all,

      I bought a used C458 which I started to dissassemble to see if I could repair it.

      I found there is a 2.5" HDD inside it, and also a small removable mSATA (?) card in it.

      My questions are, what's the purpose of both these two storage devices inside this kind of printer? I think maybe it would be possible to send a printjob over network to the printer and it is queued a while before printing.
      But I could be wrong.

      /Jeri
      I've never saw a 2nd hdd or mSATA in a machine but if memory servers me right the 2nd hdd is just there as a backup in case the 1st one fails. as far as the mSATA I have no clue

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      • tsbservice
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        Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

        Originally posted by Markks
        I've never saw a 2nd hdd or mSATA in a machine but if memory servers me right the 2nd hdd is just there as a backup in case the 1st one fails. as far as the mSATA I have no clue
        By mSATA card he probably means eMMC.
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        • JERI
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          • Apr 2023
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          #5
          Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

          Originally posted by tsbservice
          By mSATA card he probably means eMMC.
          Yes, it seems to be a small SSD card with a eMMC chip on it, found the same one here:
          Original A7ahk12e00 Copier Parts Ssd Card Pwb-ssd Card For Konica Minolta Bizhub C308 C258 C368 C458 C558 C658 - Buy Konica Minolta C308 C258 C368 C458 C558 C658 Ssd Card,Konica Minolta Ssd Card,Pwb-ssd Card For Konica Minolta Bizhub C308 C258 C368 C458 C558 C658 Product on Alibaba.com

          So I get it the copier needs some temp storage of print jobs and holding print jobs for the right user to come up to the printer and maybe swipe a card to get the print out, and the 2.5" disk is the main part storage? What part is holding the printer's operating system?
          But what about that SSD card? I see a risk of buying and selling printers like this if there could be jobs stored on the hdd/ssd that never got printed?
          Last edited by JERI; 04-20-2023, 07:46 AM. Reason: New thoughts

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          • Gift
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            Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

            I think the mSATA card is just an alternative for using NVRams. Guess it contains some "BIOS" like informations and internal data and some stuff to avoid cheating.

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            • strider5555
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              Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

              The 2.5 HDD is there for user boxes, as well as to store the address book, movie data, ocr font data, voice data, and is required if the machine has a fax, probably also needed for scanning (not sure on that). The eMMC board is the NVRAM for the machine. It has some limited storage, and contains serial numbers, total counters, machine settings, consumable counts, etc. It also stores adf adjustment backup, and other backup data. If this fails, it has to be ordered from KM. Hope that answers some questions.

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              • Ziggy
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                Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                Originally posted by JERI
                Yes, it seems to be a small SSD card with a eMMC chip on it, found the same one here:
                Original A7ahk12e00 Copier Parts Ssd Card Pwb-ssd Card For Konica Minolta Bizhub C308 C258 C368 C458 C558 C658 - Buy Konica Minolta C308 C258 C368 C458 C558 C658 Ssd Card,Konica Minolta Ssd Card,Pwb-ssd Card For Konica Minolta Bizhub C308 C258 C368 C458 C558 C658 Product on Alibaba.com

                So I get it the copier needs some temp storage of print jobs and holding print jobs for the right user to come up to the printer and maybe swipe a card to get the print out, and the 2.5" disk is the main part storage? What part is holding the printer's operating system?
                But what about that SSD card? I see a risk of buying and selling printers like this if there could be jobs stored on the hdd/ssd that never got printed?

                On Konica Minoltas the print jobs do not go to the hard drive at all. The only thing stored on hard drive is address book and any documents stored in a user box by the customer. The print jobs use ram so they are never stored on the machine. As far as the user boxes are concerned a customer should never store sensitive documents in a user box.

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                • Synthohol
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                  Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                  Originally posted by Markks
                  On Konica Minoltas the print jobs do not go to the hard drive at all.
                  are you sure about that?


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                  • Ziggy
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                    Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                    Originally posted by Synthohol
                    are you sure about that?


                    I stand corrected. I was told my information by a KM trainer. It might have been on a specific model. Thanks for the clarification

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                    • tsbservice
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                      Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                      Originally posted by Synthohol
                      are you sure about that?


                      Test machine C308.

                      - Clear all data(HDD after that is Not Installed).
                      - No matter if Spool Print Jobs in HDD before RIP is OFF or ON I can print on that machine.

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                      • Synthohol
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                        Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                        of course you can print to it without the hdd, the statement i responded to was the inference that it doesn't use the spool on the copier hdd at all when that setting actually speeds up printing.
                        We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                        The medication helps though...

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                        • JERI
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                          • Apr 2023
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                          #13
                          Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                          Originally posted by Markks
                          On Konica Minoltas the print jobs do not go to the hard drive at all. The only thing stored on hard drive is address book and any documents stored in a user box by the customer. The print jobs use ram so they are never stored on the machine. As far as the user boxes are concerned a customer should never store sensitive documents in a user box.
                          I thought a print job was sent from the user's computer to his/her user box in the printer's hdd and then stored there until they walk up to the machine and hold their security card to have it printed. Then it get's erased?

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                          • Synthohol
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                            Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                            thats only one type of environment.
                            when security is not needed print jobs just come right out like any other printer.
                            We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                            The medication helps though...

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                            • JERI
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                              • Apr 2023
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                              #15
                              Re: Bizhub C458 - the purpose of the HDD and mSATA card?

                              Does anybody know what filesystem the hdd has? I am looking at it offline, and get it is a Linux but not exactly which kind.
                              Might be due to possible encryption, but at least I see the partitions.

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