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  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

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    • Jul 2007
    • 23007

    #16
    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

    Originally posted by NeoMatrix
    I like the above rubber roller press idea. I might have to put one of these together.

    It should also work in reverse and remove the old rubber roller as well.
    Put a metal cylinder inside the main tube with an inner diameter just big enough for the plastic housing, and the push the old rubber roller off the plastic housing. Viola!!!.
    The inner cylinder need not be full length of the main outer tubing, it just needs be a simple thin ring shape of metal soldered into place inside the main tube. Put a blanking plate/metal washer over the top of inner removal cylinder and press the new rubber roller onto the old housing, as per normal.

    With a bit of cheeky modification to the design it might be possible to do it in one operation....
    See attached image.
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]30981[/ATTACH]

    I just had a light bulb moment. The roller press can be done even simpler and smaller to fit in a work bag. I'll leave it for the time being. It would be interesting to see how many others pick up on the general idea.
    Good idea. I'll give it some thought. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • kjg
      Trusted Tech

      100+ Posts
      • Mar 2009
      • 111

      #17
      Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

      Novel idea on the roller press.
      I just might have to try it out.

      I have been using Ricoh rollers for color machines in some of my Kyoceras. Very similar roller from what I see in the picture.

      The press deserves several likes.

      Thanks!!!

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      • bigwul
        Technician

        50+ Posts
        • Jun 2014
        • 60

        #18
        Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

        Originally posted by blackcat4866
        For as long as I can remember (OK, quite a bit longer than that) I have always built things to withstand the stresses provided by 10 dancing elephants. I do not recall exactly who defined that particular standard, but everyone I know seems to understand it. As a result, many of the things I build are considerably heavier than need be, but rarely break.

        Real dancing elephants are quite rare, so I don't usually get to truly field test my constructions. It's so difficult to assemble 10 of them in one place. =^..^=

        As long as you don't want them to jump - that might be a tad trickier.....

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        • Schluken
          Technician
          • Sep 2014
          • 13

          #19
          Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

          We have been using the solid gray rollers from the 4035\5035 and km-4050\5050 models and they have been running longer at less then the cost of the originals in the machine. The part number is 2AR07230. They seem to be the ticket for us.

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          • blackcat4866
            Master Of The Obvious

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            • Jul 2007
            • 23007

            #20
            Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

            Originally posted by NeoMatrix

            With a bit of cheeky modification to the design it might be possible to do it in one operation....
            See attached image.
            [ATTACH=CONFIG]30981[/ATTACH]

            I just had a light bulb moment. The roller press can be done even simpler and smaller to fit in a work bag. I'll leave it for the time being. It would be interesting to see how many others pick up on the general idea.
            I took the liberty to photo-edit in your suggestion. I see a small mechanical issue. To illustrate the point I drew in the rollers as cutaways. Do you think that you can push the 14mm end of the hub through a 10mm oriface?

            Roller Press Revision.JPG

            =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • NeoMatrix
              Senior Tech.

              2,500+ Posts
              • Nov 2010
              • 3513

              #21
              Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

              Originally posted by blackcat4866
              I took the liberty to photo-edit in your suggestion. I see a small mechanical issue. To illustrate the point I drew in the rollers as cutaways. Do you think that you can push the 14mm end of the hub through a 10mm oriface?

              [ATTACH=CONFIG]30993[/ATTACH]

              =^..^=
              Try this idea. I have two possibly three other design ideas......
              Apology for the resolution of the images. They are suppose to be 1280 x 1024 in size.
              The images are automatically reduced down in size when uploading to CTN.

              Use these images as you wish.

              The design is suppose to be used in the vertical upright position against a table surface or floor.
              Leave the plunger on the table sitting on it's base and hold the entire main cylinder and roller and then push downward
              to the table over the top of the plunger.
              The press should first push the hard plastic hub out away from the rubber roller.
              The hole either end of the main cylinder is big enough to allow the plastic hub to be pushed back into
              the new rubber roller sleeve.


              RollerPress1_1.jpgRollerPress1_2.jpg
              Last edited by NeoMatrix; 10-20-2015, 10:10 AM.
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              • subaro
                Service Manager

                1,000+ Posts
                • Oct 2010
                • 1274

                #22
                Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                So here is my question. when you remove the roller from the drum or whatever the proper name. Is there any orientation you slide the replacement roller into that drum or it does not matter ?.
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                • blackcat4866
                  Master Of The Obvious

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                  #23
                  Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                  The neoprene Konica Minolta rollers do not have a grain to the tire material, so it doesn't matter. The Kyocera rollers have a grain to the rubber. Let's see if I can find an illustration:

                  Tire direction.JPG

                  =^..^=
                  If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                  1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                  2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                  3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                  4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                  5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                  blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                  • habik
                    Service Manager

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                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2013

                    #24
                    Re: Zeus Feed Rollers


                    Yes grey konic pickups are in use on 5500's
                    Orange feed /sep too.



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                    • blackcat4866
                      Master Of The Obvious

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                      #25
                      Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                      I've got two high volume machines 8000i and 8001i running the KM rollers. If we get a month it will be shocking and wonderful. =^..^=
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                      • habik
                        Service Manager

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                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2013

                        #26
                        Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                        Originally posted by blackcat4866
                        I've got two high volume machines 8000i and 8001i running the KM rollers. If we get a month it will be shocking and wonderful. =^..^=
                        You'll be happy

                        I have used it on 6500 tray 3-4 and it works great.

                        One off topic rant since a lot of great engineering is going on this thread- The only thing that I am anoyed by is the silly design of feed sensors(photo-reflective) getting dusty a lot.They are just in perfect position next to sep roller, catching all the dust. And the only way to check is to pull the feed units out. You can blow it with air duster but some paper has more additives and its sticky. So cotton swabs and alcohol.. I had idea to make them self clean whenever the paper drawer is pulled out ( there is plenty of lever for a slider with mylar+felt over the sensor) if linked with separation disengage mechanism. Similar system as behind transfer belt run by solenoid, but without solenoid

                        Hope some smart cookie at Kyo is watching this thread and gives some credit to every developing engineer here
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                        • habik
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                          • 2013

                          #27
                          Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                          Here BlackCat, check that wear on these. 30k no jam yet. Think the separation on Kyo is better handled than on KM. So ideal when meshed together



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                          • blackcat4866
                            Master Of The Obvious

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                            #28
                            Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                            Congratulations! I'm using the KM rollers as standard operating procedure now. =^..^=
                            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                            • KJHUguyuUU

                              #29
                              Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                              Both machines made 60K until now without any problems.

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                              • NeoMatrix
                                Senior Tech.

                                2,500+ Posts
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3513

                                #30
                                Re: Zeus Feed Rollers

                                I finally got off my gluteus-maximus and finished building a Press Roller prototype.
                                I haven't tested this unit in the field, but so far so good on the test bench.

                                Now I'll just have to make room in my already overly crammed tool case.

                                See the attached images :
                                RollerPress1_2.jpgRollerPress2_2.jpg


                                All credit to Blackcat4866 for the initial inspiration.
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