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  • Gab
    Senior Tech
    • Aug 2015
    • 634

    taskalfa 4500i drum swap

    TA 4500i (olivetti 4500i brand) lines on image . They look like they are from drum . IF i make several copies lines appear at the first copies then image is ok.
    How can i fix it?
    Can i swap an other drum unit from TA 550i?
  • GIUBOSS
    Service Manager

    Site Contributor
    1,000+ Posts
    • Jul 2013
    • 1338

    #2
    Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

    Originally posted by Gab
    TA 4500i (olivetti 4500i brand) lines on image . They look like they are from drum . IF i make several copies lines appear at the first copies then image is ok.
    How can i fix it?
    Can i swap an other drum unit from TA 550i?

    you mean the first copies are ok so you start leaving the lines? Obviously you have also tried to make tests or prints from a PC and the defect is the same, so if they are black lines it will be the black drum (like the 5501i) if vice versa they are lighter than the original probably it is the developer unit.

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    • bsm2
      IT Manager

      25,000+ Posts
      • Feb 2008
      • 27775

      #3
      Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

      You most likely can not swap drums
      as manufacturing prevents exactly what your trying to do to protect dealers. RIDF chips or pin wiring different

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      • Gab
        Senior Tech
        • Aug 2015
        • 634

        #4
        Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

        Originally posted by bsm2
        You most likely can not swap drums
        as manufacturing prevents exactly what your trying to do to protect dealers. RIDF chips or pin wiring different
        You mean i can't swap drum units because they are diφferent brands?

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        • Gab
          Senior Tech
          • Aug 2015
          • 634

          #5
          Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

          Originally posted by Gab
          You mean i can't swap drum units because they are diφferent brands?
          Can i remove opc drum and blade d=from an other drum unit and replace the old opc drum and blade.
          Do i have to run any program.

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          • blackcat4866
            Master Of The Obvious

            Site Contributor
            10,000+ Posts
            • Jul 2007
            • 22744

            #6
            Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

            Yes you can swap around drum units, mainly for diagnostic purposes. =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • Phil B.
              Field Supervisor

              10,000+ Posts
              • Jul 2016
              • 22808

              #7
              Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

              Originally posted by blackcat4866
              Yes you can swap around drum units, mainly for diagnostic purposes. =^..^=
              thanks for confirmation

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              • Phil B.
                Field Supervisor

                10,000+ Posts
                • Jul 2016
                • 22808

                #8
                Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

                Originally posted by bsm2
                You most likely can not swap drums
                as manufacturing prevents exactly what your trying to do to protect dealers. RIDF chips or pin wiring different
                blackcat says it is possible

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                • KYO_OEM
                  Senior Tech

                  500+ Posts
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 637

                  #9
                  Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

                  I agree with black cat.

                  DK units mostly same for all brands, if no toner drive or other toner related parts installed.
                  e.g.:
                  A4 systems/ 6th Generation + Polaris drum units are included mechanical protection, diff. toner drive, because of this you can`t swap between brands
                  Near by all A3 systems don`t have any toner related parts inside and they are usefull for each brand.

                  At Gaia range/ 4500i, you can`t use toner from other brand because of mechanical protection parts between brands + RFID technology, but you can use DK from 5500i after running ALL needed adjustment for mounting from new DK unit!

                  By the way:
                  It`s always "nice" to read descriptions like yours:

                  "TA 4500i (olivetti 4500i brand) lines on image . They look like they are from drum . IF i make several copies lines appear at the first copies then image is ok.
                  How can i fix it?"

                  Which kind of lines?
                  Horizontal or vertical lines?
                  1 or more lines?
                  Repititive lines?
                  Line width?
                  With or without margins?

                  Every day technicians are asking me for help without these needed informations.
                  They all receive my typical answer:
                  "Sorry, but you didn`t ask the lord for help, you asked me!
                  I am located far far away from you and don`t see this lines, dots or else."

                  For better helping we need more detailed informations like samples, U000 reports and so on.

                  Here we are talking about "old" 4500i.
                  e.g.:
                  missing data for
                  U110?
                  U127?
                  U158?
                  U251?
                  U930?
                  Sometimes lines are coming from transfer belt, because of faulty cleaning after running calibration....

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                  • Gab
                    Senior Tech
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 634

                    #10
                    Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

                    Originally posted by KYO_OEM
                    I agree with black cat.

                    DK units mostly same for all brands, if no toner drive or other toner related parts installed.
                    e.g.:
                    A4 systems/ 6th Generation + Polaris drum units are included mechanical protection, diff. toner drive, because of this you can`t swap between brands
                    Near by all A3 systems don`t have any toner related parts inside and they are usefull for each brand.

                    At Gaia range/ 4500i, you can`t use toner from other brand because of mechanical protection parts between brands + RFID technology, but you can use DK from 5500i after running ALL needed adjustment for mounting from new DK unit!

                    By the way:
                    It`s always "nice" to read descriptions like yours:

                    "TA 4500i (olivetti 4500i brand) lines on image . They look like they are from drum . IF i make several copies lines appear at the first copies then image is ok.
                    How can i fix it?"

                    Which kind of lines?
                    Horizontal or vertical lines?
                    1 or more lines?
                    Repititive lines?
                    Line width?
                    With or without margins?

                    Every day technicians are asking me for help without these needed informations.
                    They all receive my typical answer:
                    "Sorry, but you didn`t ask the lord for help, you asked me!
                    I am located far far away from you and don`t see this lines, dots or else."

                    For better helping we need more detailed informations like samples, U000 reports and so on.

                    Here we are talking about "old" 4500i.
                    e.g.:
                    missing data for
                    U110?
                    U127?
                    U158?
                    U251?
                    U930?
                    Sometimes lines are coming from transfer belt, because of faulty cleaning after running calibration....

                    Finally i swaped the drum unit. It works but there is about 3 cm no print at the bottom , at the area that lines appeared. Also there are dark lines at the old drum. at

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                    • blackcat4866
                      Master Of The Obvious

                      Site Contributor
                      10,000+ Posts
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 22744

                      #11
                      Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

                      Again ... Samples?
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                      • KYO_OEM
                        Senior Tech

                        500+ Posts
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 637

                        #12
                        Re: taskalfa 4500i drum swap

                        no we must ask you the following:
                        How it`s possible to get "White eagle on white background/ paper"
                        Answer:
                        missing toner on sleeve roller from dev unit, faulty transfer, or miising laser power.
                        Why you got stripes at this area on old drum?
                        Maybe broken/ faulty sleeve roller/ 2. possibilty: problem with DLP rail lever

                        What happens if you
                        1.
                        set U100/ AC Auto adjust from ON to OFF
                        2.
                        remove main charger
                        3.
                        test print
                        Do you get full solid black without white areas?
                        If yet: no problem with DV or TR
                        If not: problem with DV or TR

                        Don`t forget to switch back U100 after repair.

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